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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Turing computable functions --- EEE(III)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:07:09 -0500
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On 3/25/2025 4:16 PM, joes wrote:
> Am Tue, 25 Mar 2025 14:24:07 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> 
>> Cannot possibly derive any outputs not computed from their inputs.
> In particular, your HHH does not compute the behaviour of its input.
> 
>> A Turing machine halt decider cannot possibly report on the behavior of
>> any directly executing process.
>> No Turing machine can every do this. This has always been beyond what
>> any Turing machine can ever do.
>> The best that any Turing machine halt decider can possibly do is
>> determine the behavior that an input finite string specifies.
> Which iiis... surprise, whatever happens when you run it. You are
> basically saying that simulators can make shit up.
> 
>> When an input finite string specifies a pathological relationship with
>> its simulating halt decider the actual behavior that pathological
>> relationship derives must be reported because THAT IS THE BEHAVIOR THAT
>> IS SPECIFIED BY THIS INPUT FINITE STRING.
> The relationship doesn't derive anything.
> It is a tautology that a simulator reports what it reports. That doesn't
> make that correct.
> 

EEE emulates a finite number of steps EEE including
EEE emulating itself emulating III a finite number of times.

_III()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push III
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call EEE(III)
[0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]

III has different behavior when emulated by any EEE
than when it is emulated by any other emulator.

When III is emulated by EEE it never reaches its
final halt state.

When III is emulated by any other emulator it
ALWAYS reaches its final halt state.

ALWAYS is the opposite of NEVER.


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