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On 2025-03-25 14:35:48 +0000, Johnny LaRue said:

> In article <KBxEP.1621523$TBhc.513900@fx16.iad>,
>  CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-03-25 00:00, Johnny LaRue wrote:
>>> In article <uorjtj1svg4iel6a1il22vrqbe394idovc@4ax.com>,
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A Mac mini would be $1400.  What I could build for that is
>>>> unbelievable.  Getting macOS to me isn't so amazing, Linux does OK.  I
>>>> think Apple is like M$ selling products to high-end users first.
>>> 
>>> Yes, Apple costs more than Dell.   And BMWs cost more than Chevys.   And
>>> steak costs more than chicken.
>>> 
>>> What is your point?
>>> 
>>> But what is the alleged "sacrifice of control"?   What does that even
>>> mean?    My Macs are somehow "out of control"?
>> 
>> He's suggesting that in addition to Apple devices being more or less a
>> walled garden (not really since you can install from outside the Apple
>> Store even though the operating system makes that needlessly annoying
>> for some applications like Betterbird), you lose control in that your
>> hardware is abandoned after a number of years. On an x86-64 machine,
>> this isn't a problem since you can go ahead and install Linux. However,
>> once Apple decides not to supply you with MacOS anymore, you're stuck.
>> You /CAN/ continue to use it, but the lack of updates might make its use
>> a danger if you are connecting to the Internet.
> 
> Macs continue to run fine.
> 
> I have an 11 year old Mini that works fine.   I have this ancient Dual
> G5 tower (20 years old) that runs fine.   I am using screen sharing (the
> equivalent to remote desktop on Windows) from my M2 Macbook Pro to type
> this message on the PPC G5 tower because I like MT-NewsWatcher.
> 
> I have an even older Dual G4 tower (23 years old, the wind tunnel box
> AKA Mirror Drive Door) that also runs fine.
> 
> No "loss of control" here.   And if installing Linux means you are "in
> control" then I would rather be "out of control".

I used my beige G3 for 20 years, daily use, before it died with a 
motherboard hardware failure.

I replaced it with a 2014 Mac Mini (bought new in 2018) that is still 
running fine with High Sierra - they only noticeable "problem" is the 
old version of Safari starting to have issues with the very occasional 
website, but switching to Firefox solves that and I can't be bothered 
updating to a newer version of MacOS and the various apps.