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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Correcting the definition of the halting problem --- Computable functions Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:49:06 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <vrvbt2$aq8m$2@dont-email.me> References: <vr1shq$1qopn$1@dont-email.me> <vr9u5m$q57o$2@dont-email.me> <vrbckn$23f4t$1@dont-email.me> <vrbtiq$2j07c$2@dont-email.me> <vrc3ud$2p461$1@dont-email.me> <vrc4nu$2m36k$5@dont-email.me> <vrkc2m$24ft6$1@dont-email.me> <vrkdij$25f9f$3@dont-email.me> <vrlt36$3haib$1@dont-email.me> <vrn237$im1e$1@dont-email.me> <vrn67b$md49$1@dont-email.me> <cb974817db8e02049daa5604d725300154e33ad1@i2pn2.org> <vrps14$35a4m$2@dont-email.me> <eab11e8806c669d296bff986870bdc6abdbb2fef@i2pn2.org> <vrqicu$3s258$1@dont-email.me> <30c2beae6c191f2502e93972a69c85ff227bfd03@i2pn2.org> <vrrs79$11a56$7@dont-email.me> <vrrsta$tdm5$1@dont-email.me> <vrs264$1a43i$1@dont-email.me> <vrs54q$1d1o2$1@dont-email.me> <vrse90$1jr8u$1@dont-email.me> <vrsk13$1q39o$1@dont-email.me> <vrsn62$1rblu$2@dont-email.me> <vrsnhu$1q39o$2@dont-email.me> <vrsodl$1rblu$3@dont-email.me> <e521a1335160c79dcc5d375738028f4deecda264@i2pn2.org> <vru9er$38ob9$6@dont-email.me> <bec56cbb36a8107632b0433b26025d55251b9217@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 23:49:07 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="28b8eab6d237e557af892b2ab104f6c1"; logging-data="354582"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18uQAG5kW4sL7HExBt//CSm" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RmSvEmk74JsoNQmjuH0zLNM9f2c= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <bec56cbb36a8107632b0433b26025d55251b9217@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250325-18, 3/25/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3476 On 3/25/2025 4:29 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 25 Mar 2025 08:01:14 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/25/2025 3:47 AM, joes wrote: > >>> A pure simulator can not limit the number of steps. Also III doesn't >>> halt in, say, 3 steps. Why should III call a different instance that >>> doesn't abort, when it is being simulated? >>> >> The fact that the same states in the program-under-test keep repeating >> such that the program-under-test cannot possibly reach its own final >> halt state proves that program-under-test does not halt. > They don't repeat, though, not in the same stack frame. And the test > program is part of the program under test. Can you answer my question? > Your question was incorrect. _III() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push III [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call EEE(III) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] The first four instructions of the finite string of machine code at machine address 00002172 are repeated until EEE reaches its finite limit. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer