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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: III correctly emulated by EEE --- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 17:57:29 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 50 Message-ID: <vrvccp$aq8m$3@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vrkumg$2l2ci$2@dont-email.me> <ba957e964c1090cbb801b1688b951ac095281737@i2pn2.org> <vrmepa$2r2l$1@dont-email.me> <d8ee6d675850304b99af1b587437ba0ac64dbb85@i2pn2.org> <vrms64$cvat$2@dont-email.me> <76e394abe71be9cdc7f1948e73352c4f76ae409e@i2pn2.org> <vrmua7$cvat$8@dont-email.me> <dc633a07cd15e2c80ed98083cc5f9d218edcc9da@i2pn2.org> <vro0hk$1c9ia$1@dont-email.me> <9adf9b9c30250aaa2d3142509036c892db2b7096@i2pn2.org> <vrpfua$2qbhf$2@dont-email.me> <211f9a2a284cb2deaa666f424c1ef826fe855e80@i2pn2.org> <vrq330$3dq3n$1@dont-email.me> <e7268e8ef47579cacb49b0533d51549a77eb0b96@i2pn2.org> <vrqb6f$3k9kh$2@dont-email.me> <3f250e699762cfe6fccc844f10eb04f32d470b6a@i2pn2.org> <vrrpcl$11a56$4@dont-email.me> <8423998561d8feee807509b0ed6335123d35a7c9@i2pn2.org> <vrt3gv$264jb$4@dont-email.me> <448c82acff6b5fc1d2aa266be92df6f778ec2c6a@i2pn2.org> <vru5tp$38ob9$1@dont-email.me> <ac61f679d7ddb39b0ceaedd7f562899d36346535@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 23:57:30 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="28b8eab6d237e557af892b2ab104f6c1"; logging-data="354582"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/QDJj6/UJq93hKm/fiOWxQ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:iXc3fk9TxmOddDD9zSHpC4Jxqhs= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <ac61f679d7ddb39b0ceaedd7f562899d36346535@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250325-18, 3/25/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 4132 On 3/25/2025 4:32 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 25 Mar 2025 07:00:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/25/2025 3:37 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Mon, 24 Mar 2025 21:13:51 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 3/24/2025 8:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 3/24/25 10:14 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 3/24/2025 6:23 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/23/25 9:06 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/23/2025 6:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3/23/25 6:47 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/2025 4:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/25 1:21 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/2025 6:07 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/25 11:52 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2025 9:53 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/25 2:08 PM, olcott wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There exists no Natural Number N number of steps of III >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly emulated by EEE where III reaches its own "ret" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction and terminates normally. > >>> But there is an N after which III returns. > >>>>>>>>> Right, and thus you must consider *ALL* of that memory as the >>>>>>>>> input, so if you change it, it is a different input. >>>>>>>> You haven't yet noticed that all posts with this title [III >>>>>>>> correctly emulated by EEE] are talking about a pure emulator that >>>>>>>> emulates a finite number of instructions of III. > >>> Then it is not pure. > > >>> DDD, the input, halts. >> The DDD that halts IS NOT AN ACTUAL INPUT TO HHH. > Then what is? Another program with the same name that doesn't? > An entirely different instance that has different behavior. It is easier to see this as DDD emulated by HHH where DDD defines a pathological relationship with HHH versus DDD emulated by HHH1 where there is no such pathological relationship. DDD/HHH Cannot possibly reach its final halt state. DDD/HHH1 Reaches its final halt state. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer