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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: jeffrey_dsi <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:42:25 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <vrvf11$dsi3$1@dont-email.me> References: <j7jutjdo007jkfp956ofp846ecb0nfpr32@4ax.com> <vrnmla$155vg$1@dont-email.me> <vrvbb2$arv9$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 00:42:26 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f16c3d58e88c280ef1db26ccb01020e6"; logging-data="455235"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184cTieioDDvCna7HSJ6DpdgRJlvLSO8Qk=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zHaxEHQLJBKxqSNjcvZGxKzRZMQ= In-Reply-To: <vrvbb2$arv9$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3097 On 3/25/25 15:39, Subcommandante XDelta wrote: > On 23/03/2025 12:03 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 10:55:00 +1100, Subcommandante XDelta wrote: >> >>> EiffelStudio is an Integrated Development Environment (IDE), that enable >>> programmers to produce correct, reliable, maintainable software and >>> control the development process. If you want to create fast, robust, >>> scalable applications, then EiffelStudio gives you a cost-effective >>> option. >> >> I’ve lost count of the number of times people have said they have a >> solution to all the world’s programming problems, just so long as you >> change your entire process to do things their way. >> >> We live in a multilingual, multiplatform, multi-build-system world. Nobody >> wants a new language or IDE that requires you to conform to its particular >> view of how to do things. >> > > Well, VSI, needs to focus on meeting the needs of the rusted on VMS > shops, first off, and primarily. > > However, the VMS system needs to be revitalised, and that means > providing certified compilers for modern languages. > > Rust is a 110% no brainer. > > Not to stray off-topic, but a VSI/ELN RTOS, written in Rust, would be > way cool, and may thrill the industrial process guys in the VMS shops. > > Erlang and Elixir would be most attractive as well: > > https://www.erlang.org/ > > https://elixir-lang.org/ > > Not that I can weigh in with any technical quality, on such matters, the > plethora of modern languages puts my head in a spin. > > I hark back from a time of blinking lights, piano key consoles, and > false floors, and the likes of Fortran, Algol, Cobol, PL/1, and APL. > > Come to think of it, VSI/VMS/APL would be way cool - just because! - Two > Big Kens - Ken Iverson, and Ken Olsen. Another "One Language to rule them all, One Language to find them, One Language to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."