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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: The integral type 'byte' (was Re: Suggested method for returning a string from a C program?) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:48:02 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vs10ii$1s8o1$1@dont-email.me> References: <vrd77d$3nvtf$2@dont-email.me> <868qp1ra5f.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vrdhok$47cb$2@dont-email.me> <20250319115550.0000676f@yahoo.com> <vreuj1$1asii$4@dont-email.me> <vreve4$19klp$2@dont-email.me> <20250319201903.00005452@yahoo.com> <86r02roqdq.fsf@linuxsc.com> <vrh1br$35029$2@dont-email.me> <LRUCP.2$541.0@fx47.iad> <vrh71t$3be42$1@dont-email.me> <vrh9vh$3ev9o$1@dont-email.me> <vrhct4$3frk8$2@dont-email.me> <20250320204642.0000423a@yahoo.com> <vrhphb$3s62l$1@dont-email.me> <87iko3s3h2.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vrrvgp$1828d$1@dont-email.me> <874izi82a4.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vrttin$321rm$1@dont-email.me> <vrus18$3srn9$1@dont-email.me> <vs0jrf$1hb4h$1@dont-email.me> <vs0mt3$1jp5l$1@dont-email.me> <vs0pgn$1look$2@dont-email.me> <vs0ufs$1qlju$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:48:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9e00a15ae379d2cae7edd65ac25a9709"; logging-data="1975041"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19mP0D8A6IvkLru41BVSPLTWzicyYR5IWk=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:OaeNIUnJuXfG5PJHMUgeUAbkowU= In-Reply-To: <vs0ufs$1qlju$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3769 On 26/03/2025 14:12, bart wrote: > On 26/03/2025 11:47, David Brown wrote: >> On 26/03/2025 12:02, Richard Harnden wrote: >>> On 26/03/2025 10:10, David Brown wrote: >>>> But the fact that "octet" was a standardised term for 8 bits prior >>>> to the standardisation of the term "byte", does not change the fact >>>> that the term "byte" was standardised as 8 bits - in common >>>> computing usage by at least 40 years ago (though I still think 50 >>>> years ago is reasonable), and in official international standards by >>>> at least 30 years ago. >>> >>> I was taught - probably wrongly - that byte was a contraction of >>> 'binary-eight'. >>> >> >> As far as I know, it was just a re-spelling (to avoid mixups with >> "bit") of the word "bite" that was used to indicate a small chunk of >> something. Certainly the word was used before its size was fixed at >> 8 bits. >> >> The word "bit", on the other hand, is often said to come from "binary >> digit" or "binary information digit". Personally, I think it is a lot >> simpler - it's the smallest usable bit of information you can have. >> Saying it is a "binary digit" just makes it clearer how big a bit you >> have. >> > > So where did a 'bit' being 1/8th of a dollar come from? (As in, two bits > being 25 cents.) Maybe a coincidence? I would guess it came from silver dollars being cut into bits for "small change". With silver coins, people often used "hack-silver" - coins or other silver items chopped up. Cutting a coin into eight bits is probably as small as you can get with a reasonable accuracy, and with reasonable confidence that the parts are actually bits of a dollar coin. The practice probably pre-dates the American dollar (certainly hack-silver is as old as silver coins), and is probably the origin of "pieces of eight".