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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: I Salute the Democrat Party Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 17:23:25 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vs1d6d$27bdh$1@dont-email.me> References: <vp8030$2vdgn$2@dont-email.me> <hpfisjp66qqqtl782mguoo77213q5eolqk@4ax.com> <vqc7kd$2vue2$2@dont-email.me> <9d88uj965qav4mfk71avqaric30h0i321c@4ax.com> Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 18:23:27 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f1b516528c6aca34014c01cc646fea14"; logging-data="2338225"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX189KHV++9BdO5s6OCeVI0PnmHGd3iugcQs=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:b7/VJzxgVYKgGPy/YUGa0cU7GG0= X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Bytes: 2567 The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote: >Thu, 6 Mar 2025 13:23:25 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>: >>>He completely mishandled the Iranian hostage affair which allowed the >>>Ayatollahs to rise to the level they're at now - and post 1980 Iran >>>WAS beyond question and remains the guiding force between HAMAS, the >>>Houthis and the now former Syrian government. >>No. The Shah had long fled the country. The hostage affair was about >>giving the Shah a safe place to land in order to receive medical care. >>Carter had no ability to keep the Shah in power nor make a smooth >>transition to a republican. >Oh I'm well aware of that - and also that the Iranians had threatened >hostile action if the Shah was given entry to the United States. >If you were arguing the rescue mission wasn't sufficiently provided >with helicopters (they only had 3 and one failed mechanically over >Iranian territory) I'd completely agree with you - no question the >special forces had learned their lessons by they time they hit Bin >Laden in 2011 I made no such argument. The military action failed. Thereafter, the Pentagon revised Special Forces training, so there were lessons learned. You accused Jimmy Carter of mishandling the hostage affair and allowing the Ayatollah to take power. Of course I disagreed because there was nothing to agree with. You didn't tell us what you feel Carter mishandled. Grabbing diplomats was an act of war. You wanted Carter to escalate into a full-blown conflict with Iran? Something less than that? Follow through on your thought.