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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing computable functions Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 11:33:34 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 22 Message-ID: <vs39ht$1ogp$1@dont-email.me> References: <vruvsn$3tamc$3@dont-email.me> <vs0b8d$19qb8$1@dont-email.me> <vs19qe$2346o$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 11:33:33 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0605c1ac39b5ca87e1425273cb77baa2"; logging-data="57881"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX190xeTS4BB7TbIIkL2igAV2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:sZGu9jjIY0nEyQqtSd5rBvVS72g= In-Reply-To: <vs19qe$2346o$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: nl, en-GB Bytes: 2002 Op 26.mrt.2025 om 17:25 schreef olcott: > On 3/26/2025 2:44 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-03-25 19:24:07 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> Cannot possibly derive any outputs not computed from >>> their inputs. >>> >>> A Turing machine halt decider cannot possibly report >>> on the behavior of any directly executing process. >> >> It can if that report is a computable function of their inputs. >> For example, whether the direct execution of another Turing machine >> is longer than 2 steps is Turing computable. >> > > When an input to a simulating termination analyzer > defines a pathological relationship to its simulating > termination analyzer this changes the behavior of this > input relative to its direct execution. If an analyser has a pathological relation with this input, it is wrong to choose this analyser for this input. In particular when there are analysers that do not have this relationship with this input.