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From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Shutdown vs. Restart
Date: 27 Mar 2025 11:33:27 GMT
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg, 2025-03-26 16:25:
> 
> > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> >> Steve Hayes, 2025-03-24 10:04:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2025 12:16:17 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Learned recently that in later versions of windows, Shutdown does not
> >>>> completely shut down windows but Restart does. 
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that true in Android too? 
> >>>
> >>> In Windows, I'm pretty sure it is the other way round. 
> >>>
> >>> Restart doesn't completely shut down Windows, but shutdown does. 
> >>
> >> No, it's exactly the opposite - because "shutdown" is what people do all
> >> the time when they want turn off their computers. For this very reason
> >> Windows does only hibernate by default - which means it stores the
> >> current RAM content on the SSD so the last state including all open
> >> applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next time.
> > 
> >   Sorry, but that's not correct. If you do a 'Shut down' the system will
> > only save the OS to 'disk', not the open applications. And it will only
> > save to 'disk' if Fast Startup is enabled (which is the default).
> 
> Nitpicking...

  Anything but nitpicking! Windows does *not* do a full hibernate/resume
when you do a Shut down, that's what the Hibernate choice is for.

> >   N.B. If your comment was correct, there would be no 'Hibernate' choice
> > in the 'Power' menu.
> 
> My Windows 11 setup does *not* have "hibernate" in the power menu. So
> you are wrong as well now? Or did you just forgot, that the choices also
> depend on settings?

  So you changed the default. Noted.

> I talked about the *default* setup of Windows nowadays which is "Fast
> Startup". And in this *default* case Windows behaves as described since
> the previous poster believed, that "shutdown" will always shutdown
> without hibernation and "reboot" will restore the state as it was before
> the reboot.

  I don't think that's what Steve Hayes meant. Anyway, I just corrected
your incorrect information ("so the last state including all open
applications will be restored when turning on the computer the next
time.").

> >   For an authorative reference:
> > 
> > Message-ID: <vhquac$1bqtd$1@dont-email.me>
> > <http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvhquac%241bqtd%241%40dont-email.me%3E>
> 
> This is not "authoritative".

  Well it's much more authoritative than yours. Note the poster.

>			       Only the document of Microsoft is
> authoritative:
> 
> <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/test/weg/delivering-a-great-startup-and-shutdown-experience>

  A bit long, but the 'Fast startup' section is not too long and
confirms my correction of your earlier post:

"Fast startup begins with the shutdown process and includes writing data
 to disk similar to the hibernate process. A key difference is that all
 user sessions (Session 1) are logged off and the remaining information
 is written to the hiberfile."

  So the user sessions are logged off, so they *cannot* "be restored
when turning on the computer the next time".

  Note also that the text in the "SHUTDOWN" picture only says "System
data ... saved to disk", while a similar picture in the later "Hibernate
phase" picture says "User & system state ... saved to disk", so a (Fast
startup) shutdown does not save user state, which is my point.

  (AFAIC,) EOD.