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From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 20:38:54 -0400
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On 3/27/2025 8:34 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 3/27/2025 7:12 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 3/27/2025 8:11 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2025 7:02 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 3/27/2025 1:27 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 1:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 2:18 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Op 27.mrt.2025 om 04:09 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2025 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Non-Halting is that the machine won't reach its final staste 
>>>>>>>>>> even if an unbounded number of steps are emulated. Since HHH 
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't do that, it isn't showing non-halting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH will never reach its final state
>>>>>>>>> in an unbounded number of steps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH1 reaches its final state in a finite
>>>>>>>>> number of steps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not very interesting to know whether a simulator reports 
>>>>>>>> that it is unable to reach the end of the simulation of a 
>>>>>>>> program that halts in direct execution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That IS NOT what HHH is reporting.
>>>>>>> HHH correctly rejects DDD because DDD correctly
>>>>>>> emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own
>>>>>>> final halt state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, HHH is not a halt decider because it is not 
>>>>>> computing the required mapping:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:19:42 PM UTC-5, olcott wrote:
>>>>  > In other words you could find any error in my post so you resort 
>>>> to the
>>>>  > lame tactic of ad hominem personal attack.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Troll
>>>
>>
>> On 7/22/2024 10:51 AM, olcott wrote:
>>  > *Ad Hominem attacks are the first resort of clueless wonders*
>>
> 
> I corrected your error dozens of times and you
> ignore these corrections and mindlessly repeat
> your error like a bot 

Which is what you've been doing for the last three years.

Projection, as always.  I'll add the above to the list.