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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 20:10:01 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <vs4st9$1c1ja$10@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vrqb6f$3k9kh$2@dont-email.me> <3f250e699762cfe6fccc844f10eb04f32d470b6a@i2pn2.org> <vrrpcl$11a56$4@dont-email.me> <8423998561d8feee807509b0ed6335123d35a7c9@i2pn2.org> <vrt3gv$264jb$4@dont-email.me> <448c82acff6b5fc1d2aa266be92df6f778ec2c6a@i2pn2.org> <vru5tp$38ob9$1@dont-email.me> <ac61f679d7ddb39b0ceaedd7f562899d36346535@i2pn2.org> <vrvccp$aq8m$3@dont-email.me> <e166831a8e02332d64ec151f61481e2629e6e53a@i2pn2.org> <vrvsh4$p4vd$2@dont-email.me> <c93030bbd81fb313c76c256c6e54beb48b07dfdd@i2pn2.org> <vs1vuv$2ot1m$1@dont-email.me> <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org> <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <61f821b5a18046ab36ddb6c52a003b574cf34de6@i2pn2.org> <vs2hnm$38lvq$1@dont-email.me> <9be1ff2af6bbf405565b27bc8211adf9f353e9f2@i2pn2.org> <vs44b6$qjc3$1@dont-email.me> <3ff8345ef2ddb51594c67cf7f5cbb81f696afbc5@i2pn2.org> <vs4per$1c1ja$5@dont-email.me> <8a8d4ac681ff887744c6a24e9c8f2777222da16f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 02:10:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c3826c8f357adb38be8b9ef5898c2054"; logging-data="1443434"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+DvNWdGzWLVs+jQOvbiU5E" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:+5Qv6uywCkTbReQgYK1jeuu4AP4= In-Reply-To: <8a8d4ac681ff887744c6a24e9c8f2777222da16f@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250327-8, 3/27/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4245 On 3/27/2025 7:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/27/25 8:11 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/27/2025 4:56 PM, joes wrote: >>> Am Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:10:46 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 3/27/2025 6:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 3/26/25 11:47 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 3/26/2025 10:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/26/25 11:09 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/26/2025 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> Non-Halting is that the machine won't reach its final staste even >>>>>>>>> if an unbounded number of steps are emulated. Since HHH doesn't do >>>>>>>>> that, it isn't showing non-halting. >>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH will never reach its final state in an >>>>>>>> unbounded number of steps. >>>>>>> But DDD emulated by an actually correct emulator will, >>>>>> If you were not intentionally persisting in a lie you would >>>>>> acknowledge the dead obvious that DDD emulated by HHH according to >>>>>> the >>>>>> semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly correctly reach its >>>>>> final halt state. >> >> _DDD() >> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >> [00002183] c3 ret >> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >> >>> Yes, HHH is not a correct simulator. >>> >> >> You say that it is not a correct simulator on the basis >> of your ignorance of the x86 language that conclusively >> proves that HHH does correctly simulate the first four >> instructions of DDD and correctly simulates itself >> simulating the first four instructions of DDD. >> > > It isn't a correct simulator, You know that you are lying about this or you would show how DDD emulated by HHH would reach its final state ACCORDING TO THE SEMANTICS OF THE X86 LANGUAGE. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer