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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 21:11:23 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 62 Message-ID: <vs50gb$1c1ja$14@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vrrpcl$11a56$4@dont-email.me> <8423998561d8feee807509b0ed6335123d35a7c9@i2pn2.org> <vrt3gv$264jb$4@dont-email.me> <448c82acff6b5fc1d2aa266be92df6f778ec2c6a@i2pn2.org> <vru5tp$38ob9$1@dont-email.me> <ac61f679d7ddb39b0ceaedd7f562899d36346535@i2pn2.org> <vrvccp$aq8m$3@dont-email.me> <e166831a8e02332d64ec151f61481e2629e6e53a@i2pn2.org> <vrvsh4$p4vd$2@dont-email.me> <c93030bbd81fb313c76c256c6e54beb48b07dfdd@i2pn2.org> <vs1vuv$2ot1m$1@dont-email.me> <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org> <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <61f821b5a18046ab36ddb6c52a003b574cf34de6@i2pn2.org> <vs2hnm$38lvq$1@dont-email.me> <9be1ff2af6bbf405565b27bc8211adf9f353e9f2@i2pn2.org> <vs44b6$qjc3$1@dont-email.me> <3ff8345ef2ddb51594c67cf7f5cbb81f696afbc5@i2pn2.org> <vs4per$1c1ja$5@dont-email.me> <8a8d4ac681ff887744c6a24e9c8f2777222da16f@i2pn2.org> <vs4st9$1c1ja$10@dont-email.me> <b7da0be84663018deae9e8d8b673b5d1e87b7de1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 03:11:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c3826c8f357adb38be8b9ef5898c2054"; logging-data="1443434"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+thaW6tMh05nBU8YRGmAp/" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:1NLb1c7radFLMXJdqez0kR2wmv8= In-Reply-To: <b7da0be84663018deae9e8d8b673b5d1e87b7de1@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250327-8, 3/27/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4597 On 3/27/2025 9:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 3/27/25 9:10 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/27/2025 7:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 3/27/25 8:11 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 3/27/2025 4:56 PM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Thu, 27 Mar 2025 13:10:46 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 3/27/2025 6:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/26/25 11:47 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 3/26/2025 10:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 3/26/25 11:09 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2025 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Non-Halting is that the machine won't reach its final staste >>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>> if an unbounded number of steps are emulated. Since HHH >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't do >>>>>>>>>>> that, it isn't showing non-halting. >>>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH will never reach its final state in an >>>>>>>>>> unbounded number of steps. >>>>>>>>> But DDD emulated by an actually correct emulator will, >>>>>>>> If you were not intentionally persisting in a lie you would >>>>>>>> acknowledge the dead obvious that DDD emulated by HHH according >>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>> semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly correctly reach its >>>>>>>> final halt state. >>>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>> >>>>> Yes, HHH is not a correct simulator. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You say that it is not a correct simulator on the basis >>>> of your ignorance of the x86 language that conclusively >>>> proves that HHH does correctly simulate the first four >>>> instructions of DDD and correctly simulates itself >>>> simulating the first four instructions of DDD. >>>> >>> >>> It isn't a correct simulator, >> >> You know that you are lying about this or you would >> show how DDD emulated by HHH would reach its final state >> ACCORDING TO THE SEMANTICS OF THE X86 LANGUAGE. >> >> > > It can't be, because your HHH doesn't meet your requirement. > You cannot show that because you know you are lying about that. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer