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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing computable functions Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 13:33:23 +0200 Organization: - Lines: 36 Message-ID: <vs61e3$2l7it$1@dont-email.me> References: <vruvsn$3tamc$3@dont-email.me> <vs0b8d$19qb8$1@dont-email.me> <vs19qe$2346o$2@dont-email.me> <vs389t$qiq$1@dont-email.me> <vs42pb$mmcb$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 12:33:24 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="60886a1e33941050aceca1839de897f2"; logging-data="2793053"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/lKknLavTHrIgaYG+etcxK" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:R3gYggKnhcH8j9CvRBFRID7Y9vU= On 2025-03-27 17:44:11 +0000, olcott said: > On 3/27/2025 5:12 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-03-26 16:25:49 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 3/26/2025 2:44 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2025-03-25 19:24:07 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> Cannot possibly derive any outputs not computed from >>>>> their inputs. >>>>> >>>>> A Turing machine halt decider cannot possibly report >>>>> on the behavior of any directly executing process. >>>> >>>> It can if that report is a computable function of their inputs. >>>> For example, whether the direct execution of another Turing machine >>>> is longer than 2 steps is Turing computable. >>> >>> When an input to a simulating termination analyzer >>> defines a pathological relationship to its simulating >>> termination analyzer this changes the behavior of this >>> input relative to its direct execution. >> >> Irrelevant to the fact that it is Turing computable whether the direct >> exectuion of a Turing machine is longer that two steps. > > That would be a syntactic rather than semantic property > of the input thus off topic for these posts. The subject line says that the topic is Turing computable functions. What I wrote is about Turing computable functions and is a relevant comment to the posting it was a reply to. Therefore it was on-topic. -- Mikko