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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: green oceans Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 12:39:57 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vs6mte$38ca2$1@dont-email.me> References: <ff06f673-13bb-4c6e-89f1-cb4f5a13791c@gmail.com> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="9373"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:27hfVzhgkf6h8oc1JGA2ScWIlR4= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id AD39722978C; Fri, 28 Mar 2025 13:40:12 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71D86229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 28 Mar 2025 13:40:10 -0400 (EDT) id 322B61C0A7E; Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 284E51C0473 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87EFF622C0 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/87EFF622C0; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 3BCBCDC01CA; Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:39:59 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 18:39:59 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <ff06f673-13bb-4c6e-89f1-cb4f5a13791c@gmail.com> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+NQlJlguOYsejmOlYlh4d5R7sBSKeGdsw= DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5683 On 3/28/2025 11:04 AM, erik simpson wrote: > Archaean green-light environments drove the evolution of cyanobacteria’s > light-harvesting system > > Abstract > Cyanobacteria induced the great oxidation event around 2.4 billion years > ago, probably triggering the rise in aerobic biodiversity. While > chlorophylls are universal pigments used by all phototrophic organisms, > cyanobacteria use additional pigments called phycobilins for their > light-harvesting antennas—phycobilisomes—to absorb light energy at > complementary wavelengths to chlorophylls. Nonetheless, an enigma > persists: why did cyanobacteria need phycobilisomes? Here, we > demonstrate through numerical simulations that the underwater light > spectrum during the Archaean era was probably predominantly green owing > to oxidized Fe(III) precipitation. The green-light environments, > probably shaped by photosynthetic organisms, may have directed their own > photosynthetic evolution. Genetic engineering of extant cyanobacteria, > simulating past natural selection, suggests that cyanobacteria that > acquired a green-specialized phycobilin called phycoerythrobilin could > have flourished under green-light environments. Phylogenetic analyses > indicate that the common ancestor of modern cyanobacteria embraced all > key components of phycobilisomes to establish an intricate energy > transfer mechanism towards chlorophylls using green light and thus > gained strong selective advantage under green-light conditions. Our > findings highlight the co-evolutionary relationship between oxygenic > phototrophs and light environments that defined the aquatic landscape of > the Archaean Earth and envision the green colour as a sign of the > distinct evolutionary stage of inhabited planets. > > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-025-02637-3 (Open access) > This abstract could have been better written. Chloroplasts use light between 400 and 700 nm wave length (blue to red), but chlorophyll does not absorb green light (reflects green light). So it uses blue and red light for photosynthesis. Apparently the oceans were green because of oxidized Fe(III), but this doesn't make sense because oxidized Fe(III) absorbs green light and reflects red light. It is the reduced form (Fe(II)) that reflects green light, and so would make the green light more common. They may be relying on the Fe(III) to be removed from solution by precipitation, so that it would not absorb green light, but that wouldn't make the oceans green, just absorb less green light. Phycobilin absorbs blue and green and reflects yellow to red. It literally fills in the hole that chlorophyll has because chlorophyll reflects green light. Having both light absorbing molecules allows cyanobacteria to exploit the full visible spectrum of light between 400 and 700 nm. Ron Okimoto