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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 14:28:57 -0500
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On 3/28/2025 2:17 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 3/28/2025 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/28/2025 1:07 PM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 12:57:56 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 3/27/2025 9:33 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 3/27/2025 10:10 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:24 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 9:21 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:09 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 9:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:38 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:12 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:11 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:02 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 1:27 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 1:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 2:18 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 27.mrt.2025 om 04:09 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2025 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not very interesting to know whether a simulator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reports that it is unable to reach the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation of a program that halts in direct execution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That IS NOT what HHH is reporting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH correctly rejects DDD because DDD correctly emulated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by HHH cannot possibly reach its own final halt state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, HHH is not a halt decider because it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computing the required mapping:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I corrected your error dozens of times and you ignore these
>>>>>>>>>>>> corrections and mindlessly repeat your error like a bot
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is what you've been doing for the last three years.
>>>>>>>>>>> Projection, as always.  I'll add the above to the list.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I did not say that no TM can ever report on behavior that matches
>>>>>>>> the behavior of a directly executing TM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good, because that's all that's required for a solution to the
>>>>>>> halting problem:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are sometimes when the behavior of TM Description D correctly
>>>>>> simulated by UTM1 does not match the behavior correctly simulated by
>>>>>> UTM2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant, because to satisfy the requirements, the behavior of the
>>>>> described machine when executed directly must be reported.
>>>>
>>>> I HAVE PROVED THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS WRONG NITWIT.
>>>> A FUNCTION THAT IS REQUIRED TO COMPUTE THE SQUARE OF A BOX OF ROCKS IS
>>>> ALSO INCORRECT.
>>
>>> It is wrong to ask for the behaviour of the direct execution? Anyways,
>>> HHH can't do it.
>>>
>>
>> Unless and until one TM can take another executing
>> TM as an input IT IS WRONG TO REQUIRE A TM TO REPORT
>> ON SOMETHING THAT IT CANNOT SEE.
>>
> 
> In other words, you agree that Linz is correct.

Incorrect problems lack correct solutions because they
incorrect problems.

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