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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:23:58 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <vs93ae$1k9u2$1@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org> <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <vs2u3v$3mcjm$2@dont-email.me> <vs434l$mmcb$3@dont-email.me> <vs45a3$resr$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ne1$1c1ja$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ovc$1e09p$1@dont-email.me> <vs4pg8$1c1ja$6@dont-email.me> <vs4pi9$1e09p$2@dont-email.me> <vs4qpp$1c1ja$7@dont-email.me> <vs4r2u$1e09p$3@dont-email.me> <vs4snt$1c1ja$9@dont-email.me> <e11c6f4f29bb0c77dbd10f8e20bca766712977d0@i2pn2.org> <vs50kt$1c1ja$15@dont-email.me> <vs5r0j$2f37e$1@dont-email.me> <vs6srk$39556$12@dont-email.me> <vs6t10$2p360$6@dont-email.me> <vs70tc$39556$21@dont-email.me> <vs71bq$2p360$10@dont-email.me> <vs76m9$3m3q0$1@dont-email.me> <vs77th$2p360$11@dont-email.me> <vs78cu$3ms9k$1@dont-email.me> <c2b91231b9052e07b6705250938fb9095e711327@i2pn2.org> <vs7kvf$3eal$2@dont-email.me> <aeb75b411e9f77c974585181c671a47d03b22078@i2pn2.org> <vs7qdm$8dae$2@dont-email.me> <vs7r9b$8ajp$1@dont-email.me> <vs92l3$1fccq$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:23:59 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d82829ff2684f0f25de37249bda61e80"; logging-data="1714114"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/zScw/Zd/1pRhIHVDNCQhB" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:296+CBdNKYMccW1DJ0VJHmSTS10= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vs92l3$1fccq$5@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3348 On 3/29/2025 11:12 AM, olcott wrote: > On 3/28/2025 11:00 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/28/2025 11:45 PM, olcott wrote: >>> >>> It defines that it must compute the mapping from >>> the direct execution of a Turing Machine >> >> Which does not require tracing an actual running TM, only mapping >> properties of the TM described. > > The key fact that you continue to dishonestly ignore > is the concrete counter-example that I provided that > conclusively proves that the finite string of machine > code input is not always a valid proxy for the behavior > of the underlying virtual machine. In other words, you deny the concept of a UTM, which can take a description of any Turing machine and exactly reproduce the behavior of the direct execution. All you've proved is that HHH(DDD) == 0 is incorrect for the same reason H0(DDD) == 0 below is incorrect: int H0(uintptr_t *p) { return 0; } Namely that it doesn't return 1 as per the requirements: Given any algorithm (i.e. a fixed immutable sequence of instructions) X described as <X> with input Y: A solution to the halting problem is an algorithm H that computes the following mapping: (<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly (<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed directly