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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Oklahoma religious movement in public education
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 11:10:43 -0500
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On 3/29/2025 9:02 AM, Rufus Ruffian wrote:
> RonO wrote:
> 
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/battle-religion-schools-oklahoma-decide-future-first-amendment-rcna191114
>>
>> Apparently the attempt to use the Bible as a textbook has been blocked
>> by the state's supreme court, but they are likely to appeal to the
>> supreme court eventually.  The claim is that Judeo-Christian religious
>> belief is an important component for understanding Western civilization
>> and history.  Just think of how much of classic literature has Biblical
>> references (probably a lot of them would be banned by the religious
>> bigots in Oklahoma if they could).
>>
>> It should be noted that COPE (the ID Network turned into COPE in order
>> to sell the switch scam without having ID in the name of their
>> organization) failed to sell the switch scam to Oklahoma for more than a
>> decade.  The Oklahoma creationist rubes would not bend over for the
>> switch scam if they could not tell the students the religious reason for
>> the obfuscation and denial.
>>
>> Instead Oklahoma is trying a more honest and open approach to getting
>> their religious notions into the public schools.  The article indicates
>> that the current US Supreme court may be open to the current ploy.
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
> 
> Ron, the info you share about H5N1 is great. It's important stuff that
> doesn't get enough attention. Thanks for posting it here to this very
> limited audience.
> 
> You get a bit wrought when you're up on step, over ID perps and
> scammers. The repetitive demonization distracts from your otherwise
> lucid points.
> 
> Can you explain what you mean about the "bait and switch scam"? Who are
> the baiters, what bait are they offering to whom, and what's their
> switcheroo? Is it Discovery types trying to convince YECers they have
> science to support YECism, then trying to sell them ID science instead,
> or something completely different? I don't quite get that. TIA!
> 

It should be common knowledge that the intelligent design creationist 
scam started out as a means to recreate a theocracy that the members 
believed had once existed in the US.  They started the Center for 
Renewal of Science and Culture a the Discovery Institute in order to 
implement their Wedge Strategy for getting that done.

http://web.archive.org/web/19980114111554/http://discovery.org/crsc/aboutcrsc.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

https://ncse.ngo/wedge-document

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment#:

Utah Law review article:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030323095628/http://law.gonzaga.edu/people/dewolf/utah.pdf

Teaching the Controversy: Darwinism, Design and the Public School 
Science Curriculum:
https://arn.org/docs/dewolf/guidebook.htm
It should be noted that Meyer was the director of the ID scam unit and 
DeWolf was head of Legal for the Discovery Institute.


The ID perps at the Discovery Institute believed that they could use 
their creation science as a wedge to break the strangle hold that they 
believed real science had on society.  They initially changed the name 
of what they were doing from scientific creationism to intelligent 
design.  They believed that getting their religious beliefs taught as 
science in the public schools was the best means for reestablishing a 
theocracy that they believed had been subverted in this country.  The ID 
perps understood that what they were calling intelligent design had 
already been designated as not worth teaching in the public schools by 
the Supreme Court, so they started claiming that they had a scientific 
theory of intelligent design to teach in the public schools.  The Wedge 
document (published in 1998) had getting ID taught in the public schools 
of 10 states as one of it's 5 year goals.

The ID perps published their teach ID scam booklet in 1999 and a Utah 
Law Review Article claiming that it was legal to teach intelligent 
design theory in the public schools in 2000.  In 2000 they made a big 
deal about the Santorum "amendment" to the no child left behind 
legislation claiming it as support for teaching intelligent design in 
the public schools.  Their Santorum "amendment" claims brought them 
national attention even though the "amendment" did not get into the 
legislation, but could be found in an Appendix.  Several states started 
talking about teaching intelligent design in their public schools.

Ohio was the first state to step forward an try to teach the junk.  The 
ID perps were invited to give their presentation to the Ohio State 
School board in March 2002.  The board also invited some real scientists 
to provide their input on the issue.  It turned out that the ID perps 
understood that they did not have the ID science to teach in Ohio, and 
before they gave their dog and pony show before the Ohio Board they had 
decided to start running a bait and switch scam instead.  From Ohio in 
2002 to the present they have only used ID as bait in order to try to 
get the creationist rubes to bend over for their obfuscation and denial 
switch scam that does not mention that ID nor creationism ever existed.

Wells participated in running the first bait and switch on Ohio, and 
this is his report on the event:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110814145400/http://www.creationists.org/archived-obsolete-pages/2002-03-11-OSBE-wells.html 


QUOTE:
Steve Meyer and I (in consultation with others) had decided ahead of
time that we would not push for including intelligent design (ID) in the
state science standards, but would propose instead that the standards
include language protecting teachers who choose to teach the controversy.
END QUOTE:

After listening to the real scientists and the waffling of the ID perps 
the members of the Ohio board understood that there was no ID science 
worth teaching in their public schools because one board member made the 
proposal that Ohio change the definition of science in the then current 
state science standards.  The board member wanted the definition changed 
so that ID could be taught in the public schools.  Even though the board 
understood that they were having the bait and switch run on them they 
bent over for the switch scam and tried to teach it in their public 
schools.  To this day they are the only state that tried to define what 
could be taught as a lesson plan.

After Ohio ID has only been used as bait to sell the rubes the 
obfuscation and denial switch scam.  The bait and switch has been mostly 
failure for the ID perps and only a couple of other states have adopted 
the switch scam, but Louisiana and Texas have had to have the bait and 
switch run on them again because they both tried to use the switch scam 
to teach ID and creationism in their public schools.  The ID perps had 
to remind the creationist rubes that the switch scam had nothing to do 
with ID nor creationism in 2013.  Nearly all of the states that have had 
the bait and switch run on them have dropped the issue instead of bend 
over for the switch scam.

The ID perps suffered a spectacular failure of the Bait and Switch in 
2005 in Dover Penn..  The bait and switch had become routine and had 
probably been run on a couple dozen school boards and legislators by the 
time Dover hit the fan, and Seth Cooper had the job at the ID scam unit 
for making sure that the bait and switch went down on any creationist 
rubes stupid enough to want to teach the junk, but Seth Cooper did not 
follow up on his phone call to the Dover School board, and the Dover 
creationists were stupid and ignorant enough to not know that the 
Discovery Institute was responsible for the teach ID scam, and decided 
to teach the junk anyway in spite of Cooper's attempt to get them to 
teach the switch scam instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

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