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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:58:46 -0500
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On 3/29/2025 1:37 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 3/29/2025 2:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 3/29/2025 4:31 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 14:27:36 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 3/28/2025 2:17 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 3/28/2025 3:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/28/2025 1:12 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/28/2025 1:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 9:33 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 10:10 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:24 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 9:21 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:09 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 9:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:38 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good, because that's all that's required for a solution to the
>>>>>>>>>>> halting problem:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are sometimes when the behavior of TM Description D
>>>>>>>>>> correctly simulated by UTM1 does not match the behavior correctly
>>>>>>>>>> simulated by UTM2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant, because to satisfy the requirements, the behavior of
>>>>>>>>> the described machine when executed directly must be reported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I HAVE PROVED THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS WRONG NITWIT.
>>> According to what? WE require it. YOU are answering a different 
>>> question.
>>>
>>>>>>> Category error.
>>>>>>> I want to know if any arbitrary algorithm X with input Y will halt
>>>>>>> when executed directly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is 100% impossible for any TM to take another executing TM as its
>>>>>> input.
>>> Quit that.
>>>
>>>>> But it can take a complete description of a TM that
>>>>
>>>> Is not always a perfect proxy for the behavior of the direct execution
>>>> of the underlying machine.
>>
>>> Uh yes it is.
>>>
>>
>> That my proof that I am correct
>> is over your head is less than
>> no rebuttal what-so-ever.
> 
> The fact that such TM description can be given to a UTM which will 
> exactly replicate the behavior of the described TM when executed 
> directly proves otherwise is apparently over your head.
> 

One cannot correctly ignore the effect that a specified
pathological relationship has between its simulator
and its input on the behavior of this input.

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