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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 14:22:31 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vs9h9o$23cav$2@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vs434l$mmcb$3@dont-email.me> <vs45a3$resr$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ne1$1c1ja$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ovc$1e09p$1@dont-email.me> <vs4pg8$1c1ja$6@dont-email.me> <vs4pi9$1e09p$2@dont-email.me> <vs4qpp$1c1ja$7@dont-email.me> <vs4r2u$1e09p$3@dont-email.me> <vs4snt$1c1ja$9@dont-email.me> <e11c6f4f29bb0c77dbd10f8e20bca766712977d0@i2pn2.org> <vs50kt$1c1ja$15@dont-email.me> <vs5r0j$2f37e$1@dont-email.me> <vs6srk$39556$12@dont-email.me> <vs6t10$2p360$6@dont-email.me> <vs70tc$39556$21@dont-email.me> <vs71bq$2p360$10@dont-email.me> <vs76m9$3m3q0$1@dont-email.me> <vs77th$2p360$11@dont-email.me> <vs78cu$3ms9k$1@dont-email.me> <c2b91231b9052e07b6705250938fb9095e711327@i2pn2.org> <vs7kvf$3eal$2@dont-email.me> <aeb75b411e9f77c974585181c671a47d03b22078@i2pn2.org> <vs7qdm$8dae$2@dont-email.me> <vs7r9b$8ajp$1@dont-email.me> <vs92l3$1fccq$5@dont-email.me> <vs93ae$1k9u2$1@dont-email.me> <vs9g5p$1v2n9$5@dont-email.me> <vs9gcg$20g2j$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:22:32 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="25098614a506fec9a884b9c00c7b5ec8"; logging-data="2208095"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18SeLXYKy+qIt8u1IMM3hBe" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:twynVfOzMD1KvEVICSM1B1RPHbM= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250329-4, 3/29/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vs9gcg$20g2j$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3480 On 3/29/2025 2:06 PM, dbush wrote: > On 3/29/2025 3:03 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 3/29/2025 10:23 AM, dbush wrote: >>> On 3/29/2025 11:12 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 3/28/2025 11:00 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 3/28/2025 11:45 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It defines that it must compute the mapping from >>>>>> the direct execution of a Turing Machine >>>>> >>>>> Which does not require tracing an actual running TM, only mapping >>>>> properties of the TM described. >>>> >>>> The key fact that you continue to dishonestly ignore >>>> is the concrete counter-example that I provided that >>>> conclusively proves that the finite string of machine >>>> code input is not always a valid proxy for the behavior >>>> of the underlying virtual machine. >>> >>> In other words, you deny the concept of a UTM, which can take a >>> description of any Turing machine and exactly reproduce the behavior >>> of the direct execution. >> >> I deny that a pathological relationship between a UTM and >> its input can be correctly ignored. >> > > In such a case, the UTM will not halt, and neither will the input when > executed directly. It is not impossible to adapt a UTM such that it correctly simulates a finite number of steps of an input. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer