Deutsch   English   Français   Italiano  
<vs9oup$27rl4$6@dont-email.me>

View for Bookmarking (what is this?)
Look up another Usenet article

Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:33:13 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 44
Message-ID: <vs9oup$27rl4$6@dont-email.me>
References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me>
 <c93030bbd81fb313c76c256c6e54beb48b07dfdd@i2pn2.org>
 <vs1vuv$2ot1m$1@dont-email.me>
 <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org>
 <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <vs2u3v$3mcjm$2@dont-email.me>
 <vs434l$mmcb$3@dont-email.me> <vs45a3$resr$1@dont-email.me>
 <vs4ne1$1c1ja$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ovc$1e09p$1@dont-email.me>
 <vs4pg8$1c1ja$6@dont-email.me> <vs4pi9$1e09p$2@dont-email.me>
 <vs4qpp$1c1ja$7@dont-email.me> <vs4r2u$1e09p$3@dont-email.me>
 <vs4snt$1c1ja$9@dont-email.me>
 <e11c6f4f29bb0c77dbd10f8e20bca766712977d0@i2pn2.org>
 <vs50kt$1c1ja$15@dont-email.me> <vs5r0j$2f37e$1@dont-email.me>
 <vs6srk$39556$12@dont-email.me> <vs6t10$2p360$6@dont-email.me>
 <vs70tc$39556$21@dont-email.me> <vs71bq$2p360$10@dont-email.me>
 <vs76m9$3m3q0$1@dont-email.me> <vs77th$2p360$11@dont-email.me>
 <vs78cu$3ms9k$1@dont-email.me>
 <c8d42d8ae414c4a6aba7d6f3ccc7892ee728edc7@i2pn2.org>
 <vs9fkv$1v2n9$3@dont-email.me>
 <2e44884357bdbf88e78daeda376eb8946f22cfb6@i2pn2.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 22:33:14 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="25098614a506fec9a884b9c00c7b5ec8";
	logging-data="2354852"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/3f0xGVmGWQcLoDkdnX5CB"
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:xuLKfqxegcFfq135epRw502b2SQ=
Content-Language: en-US
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
In-Reply-To: <2e44884357bdbf88e78daeda376eb8946f22cfb6@i2pn2.org>
X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250329-4, 3/29/2025), Outbound message
Bytes: 3844

On 3/29/2025 2:51 PM, joes wrote:
> Am Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:54:22 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 3/29/2025 4:19 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:38:22 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 3/28/2025 5:30 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>> On 3/28/2025 6:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/28/2025 3:38 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/28/2025 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
> 
>>>>>> It does not compute (a sequence of steps of an algorithm that derive
>>>>>> an output on the basis of an input) jack shit it makes a guess.
>>> Even a constant function is a "computation", even if it doesn't
>>> actually do any work.
>> That is not transforming an input finite string into its corresponding
>> output finite string.

> Yes it is: transforming every input into the same output.
> 

Deciders must transform inputs into accept or reject
states on the basis of a syntactic or semantic property
specified by the input.

The DDD input to HHH specifies non-halting.

>>>>> Doesn't matter. If the requirement is to return 5 for strings that
>>>>> have a length of 5, it meets the requirement.

>>>> The actual requirement is to compute the mapping from a finite string
>>>> to its length using a sequence of algorithmic steps.
>>>> Likewise for halting. Compute the mapping from a finite string of
>>>> machine code to the behavior that this finite string specifies.

>>> Do you reckon the direct execution of a TM contradicts the
>>> specification?
> Does it?
> 

Direct execution itself cannot possibly contradict anything.
Read what I said above as many times as needed to get it.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer