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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:33:13 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <vs9oup$27rl4$6@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <c93030bbd81fb313c76c256c6e54beb48b07dfdd@i2pn2.org> <vs1vuv$2ot1m$1@dont-email.me> <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org> <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <vs2u3v$3mcjm$2@dont-email.me> <vs434l$mmcb$3@dont-email.me> <vs45a3$resr$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ne1$1c1ja$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ovc$1e09p$1@dont-email.me> <vs4pg8$1c1ja$6@dont-email.me> <vs4pi9$1e09p$2@dont-email.me> <vs4qpp$1c1ja$7@dont-email.me> <vs4r2u$1e09p$3@dont-email.me> <vs4snt$1c1ja$9@dont-email.me> <e11c6f4f29bb0c77dbd10f8e20bca766712977d0@i2pn2.org> <vs50kt$1c1ja$15@dont-email.me> <vs5r0j$2f37e$1@dont-email.me> <vs6srk$39556$12@dont-email.me> <vs6t10$2p360$6@dont-email.me> <vs70tc$39556$21@dont-email.me> <vs71bq$2p360$10@dont-email.me> <vs76m9$3m3q0$1@dont-email.me> <vs77th$2p360$11@dont-email.me> <vs78cu$3ms9k$1@dont-email.me> <c8d42d8ae414c4a6aba7d6f3ccc7892ee728edc7@i2pn2.org> <vs9fkv$1v2n9$3@dont-email.me> <2e44884357bdbf88e78daeda376eb8946f22cfb6@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 22:33:14 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="25098614a506fec9a884b9c00c7b5ec8"; logging-data="2354852"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/3f0xGVmGWQcLoDkdnX5CB" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xuLKfqxegcFfq135epRw502b2SQ= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <2e44884357bdbf88e78daeda376eb8946f22cfb6@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250329-4, 3/29/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3844 On 3/29/2025 2:51 PM, joes wrote: > Am Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:54:22 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/29/2025 4:19 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 17:38:22 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 3/28/2025 5:30 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> On 3/28/2025 6:09 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 3/28/2025 3:38 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/28/2025 4:30 PM, olcott wrote: > >>>>>> It does not compute (a sequence of steps of an algorithm that derive >>>>>> an output on the basis of an input) jack shit it makes a guess. >>> Even a constant function is a "computation", even if it doesn't >>> actually do any work. >> That is not transforming an input finite string into its corresponding >> output finite string. > Yes it is: transforming every input into the same output. > Deciders must transform inputs into accept or reject states on the basis of a syntactic or semantic property specified by the input. The DDD input to HHH specifies non-halting. >>>>> Doesn't matter. If the requirement is to return 5 for strings that >>>>> have a length of 5, it meets the requirement. >>>> The actual requirement is to compute the mapping from a finite string >>>> to its length using a sequence of algorithmic steps. >>>> Likewise for halting. Compute the mapping from a finite string of >>>> machine code to the behavior that this finite string specifies. >>> Do you reckon the direct execution of a TM contradicts the >>> specification? > Does it? > Direct execution itself cannot possibly contradict anything. Read what I said above as many times as needed to get it. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer