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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Truly Random Numbers On A Quantum Computer?? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2025 01:32:52 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 23 Message-ID: <vscrc4$2t8mk$5@dont-email.me> References: <vs73jc$3jepm$1@dont-email.me> <vs7a9c$3pg3k$1@dont-email.me> <87tt7bo1wc.fsf@gmail.com> <vsaj17$38nej$3@dont-email.me> <87h63ak3e3.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2025 03:32:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e859c0f06e08adb9708095145f85f77d"; logging-data="3056340"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+XdPlSufiMSSBQtwQ9WnA0" User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+mAULMfaEYLfY6nL5+lGO2fqeHU= Bytes: 1987 On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 11:19:00 -0300, Ethan Carter wrote: > The definition of ``probability'' (in the sense of how to interpret > it) is sort of an open problem. It’s a term which can be defined in more than one way. One obvious one is as the relative frequency of different possible outcomes. I think there are others. > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:25:23 -0300, Ethan Carter wrote: >> >>> I get the feeling here that, by the same token, you could never have a >>> provably secure cryptosystem because someone knows the private key? >> >> None of our cryptosystems are provably secure. > > One example of provably secure system is the one-time pad. But it’s not. Where do you get the pad from? Proof of security of the system relies on proof of the randomness of the pad. Which takes us back to square one.