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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Thoughts on industrial design
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:49:40 -0400
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On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
>>>>> part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
>>>> 
>>>> I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed 
>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from 
>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
>>> 
>>> Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
>>> experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
>>> to help on motorways and similar.
>>> 
>>> I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
>>> isn?t the best in this category.
>>>> 
>>>> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my 
>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond 
>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... 
>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
>>>> 
>>>> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue 
>>>> for discussion.
>>>> 
>>> I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
>>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
>>> shifting.
>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
>> transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
>> with either one.
>
>For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren’t that common in the
>uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
>purpose.
>
>I’d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn’t
>need to shift.
>
>I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as
>they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
>old so seems to be non issue.
>
>Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often
>on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn’t seem to be a thing now.
>> 
>> As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
>> not worth discussing.
>> 
>I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
>just preference.
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>> 
>
>Roger Merriman

Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.

--
C'est bon
Soloman