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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2025 23:09:03 -0400 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Lines: 515 Message-ID: <vsflch$dtq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> References: <vsc420$2ic$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vsdi3h$3nagd$2@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 03:09:05 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com; logging-data="14266"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blueworldhosting.com" Cancel-Lock: sha1:2wlH/tnKQwVS/VyNQ0K+9JuMfYQ= sha256:TlSonPQ1uufZtEKN+049GLhnU8rVEaUHmzPw77QWCBo= sha1:eeneBib/iT2X+c0364Q7beGF25k= sha256:nBc3+ky/iL3dKwkuQH0BmOm9jYEiNiEu2pfyY2Q4r9U= X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vsdi3h$3nagd$2@dont-email.me... > On 31/03/2025 5:54 am, Edward Rawde wrote: >> Not long ago JM posted a 1KHz sinewave oscillator with very low distortion. >> It used a 470uF non polarized capacitor which in practice would probably be made from two 1000uF capacitors. >> There's nothing wrong with that but I wanted to see whether I could make a working circuit without needing such a large >> capacitor. >> >> What I have so far is below. >> >> Any comments? > > It relies on the Analog Devices MAT-02 dual transistor, which is now obsolete > > https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/obsolete-data-sheets/mat02.pdf > > The .asc file shows eight NPN transistors labelled MAT-02, presumably in four pairs of the part, but it isn't clear which of the > eight transistors should be paired up. BCM61B is available and very reasonably priced. https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/nexperia-usa-inc/BCM61B-215/2119400 It can be used for Q1 Q2 and Q3 Q4 in the circuit below. The remaining four transistors can use MAT14 https://www.digikey.be/en/products/detail/analog-devices-inc/MAT14ARZ-R7/2510588 which although a bit pricey has four independent matched transistors. I can't find an LTSpice model for MAT14 so MAT02 is still shown in the circuit below. > >> What's the best way to control the output level? >> Currently it's 5v pk-pk but I rather have half that. > > The rectified currents from the four phased shifted versions of of the output waveform flow through R13, R14, R15 and R16 into R11 > and through it into the virtual earth set up at the inverting input of U3, where the summed current is compared with a fixed > current drawn from the +15V rail through D1 and R10. > > Doubling R10 from 330k to 680k would roughly halve the output amplitude. > One could be more precise, but it wouudl be hard to justify the extra effort. Ah yes, that takes care of the output level. The revised circuit is below. Line 459 will need to be unwrapped. > > -- > Bill Sloman, Sydney > > > Version 4.1 SHEET 1 3020 2792 WIRE 80 -208 -288 -208 WIRE 800 -208 160 -208 WIRE -288 -96 -288 -208 WIRE 80 -96 -288 -96 WIRE 400 -96 160 -96 WIRE -288 32 -288 -96 WIRE -176 32 -288 32 WIRE -32 32 -96 32 WIRE 48 32 -32 32 WIRE 208 32 128 32 WIRE 256 32 208 32 WIRE 400 32 400 -96 WIRE 400 32 320 32 WIRE 464 32 400 32 WIRE 608 32 544 32 WIRE 656 32 608 32 WIRE 800 32 800 -208 WIRE 800 32 720 32 WIRE -752 48 -816 48 WIRE -624 48 -688 48 WIRE -288 144 -288 32 WIRE -176 144 -288 144 WIRE 208 144 208 32 WIRE 256 144 208 144 WIRE 608 144 608 32 WIRE 656 144 608 144 WIRE 800 144 800 32 WIRE 928 144 800 144 WIRE 1072 144 992 144 WIRE 1168 144 1072 144 WIRE 1216 144 1168 144 WIRE -816 160 -816 48 WIRE -752 160 -816 160 WIRE -624 160 -624 48 WIRE -624 160 -672 160 WIRE -32 160 -32 32 WIRE -32 160 -112 160 WIRE 400 160 400 32 WIRE 400 160 320 160 WIRE 800 160 800 144 WIRE 800 160 720 160 WIRE -176 176 -288 176 WIRE 256 176 224 176 WIRE 656 176 624 176 WIRE 224 208 224 176 WIRE 624 208 624 176 WIRE -1968 224 -1968 144 WIRE -1008 272 -1104 272 WIRE -816 272 -816 160 WIRE -816 272 -944 272 WIRE -736 272 -816 272 WIRE 1072 272 1072 144 WIRE -624 288 -624 160 WIRE -624 288 -672 288 WIRE -544 288 -624 288 WIRE -416 288 -480 288 WIRE -288 288 -288 176 WIRE -288 288 -336 288 WIRE -208 288 -288 288 WIRE 208 288 -128 288 WIRE 400 288 400 160 WIRE 400 288 208 288 WIRE -736 304 -816 304 WIRE -816 336 -816 304 WIRE 400 336 400 288 WIRE -1968 400 -1968 304 WIRE -1856 400 -1968 400 WIRE -1664 400 -1776 400 WIRE 208 400 208 288 WIRE 208 400 -1600 400 WIRE 1072 416 1072 352 WIRE 400 448 400 416 WIRE 544 448 400 448 WIRE 368 464 336 464 WIRE -1968 496 -1968 400 WIRE -1968 496 -2304 496 WIRE 368 496 368 464 WIRE 400 496 400 448 WIRE 544 496 544 448 WIRE -2432 544 -2432 496 WIRE -2304 560 -2304 496 WIRE -2240 560 -2304 560 WIRE -2144 560 -2176 560 WIRE 384 608 384 560 WIRE 544 608 544 576 WIRE 544 608 384 608 WIRE -1968 640 -1968 496 WIRE -32 656 -32 160 WIRE 208 656 208 400 WIRE 384 656 384 608 WIRE 800 656 800 160 WIRE -2304 672 -2304 560 WIRE -2256 672 -2304 672 WIRE -2144 688 -2144 560 WIRE -2144 688 -2192 688 WIRE -2032 688 -2144 688 WIRE -2432 704 -2432 624 WIRE -2256 704 -2432 704 WIRE -2432 736 -2432 704 WIRE -2432 736 -2544 736 WIRE -32 752 -32 720 WIRE 208 752 208 720 WIRE 384 752 384 720 WIRE 800 752 800 720 WIRE -2544 768 -2544 736 WIRE -2432 768 -2432 736 WIRE -2544 864 -2544 832 WIRE -32 880 -32 832 WIRE 208 880 208 832 WIRE 208 880 -32 880 WIRE 384 880 384 832 WIRE 384 880 208 880 WIRE 800 880 800 832 WIRE 800 880 384 880 WIRE -2432 912 -2432 848 WIRE -32 976 -32 880 WIRE -320 992 -416 992 WIRE -160 992 -256 992 WIRE -416 1072 -416 992 WIRE -368 1072 -416 1072 WIRE -256 1072 -304 1072 WIRE -160 1072 -160 992 WIRE -160 1072 -176 1072 WIRE -1360 1136 -1360 1040 WIRE -2160 1152 -2160 1040 WIRE -1664 1152 -1664 1040 WIRE -160 1184 -160 1072 WIRE -160 1184 -240 1184 WIRE -32 1184 -32 1056 ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========