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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: OT: Ukraine Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 14:15:40 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <vsflov$21uiq$2@dont-email.me> References: <v9uiuj9tijko2rv8rvbpaknm909g7rn08j@4ax.com> <vsdgrn$3nagd$1@dont-email.me> <vsdke7$jfu9$1@solani.org> <1ra24gk.pnms4m1uqzzjcN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vseiap$npa9$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2025 05:15:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1282c9f2f3a1a1b84f9ec66131c7b502"; logging-data="2161242"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184H9LlfYacWFJ2y/mNwq4fLiU/1XJGD7o=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:J68Fr4w2tD4CMdc+de68S/X3fc0= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250331-6, 1/4/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vseiap$npa9$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2467 On 1/04/2025 4:10 am, Don Y wrote: > On 3/31/2025 3:16 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >> Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote: >>> Remember the Budapest Memorandum of Dec-5-1994 where Ukraine gave >>> up their nuclear weapons in exchange for safety guarantees from >>> US, RU and UK? >>> They had the 3rd largest arsenal on earth. >>> >>> Foolish in retrospect. >> >> That's where we went wrong, we should have nipped it in the bud. We >> still haven't learned. The longer we leave it, the more expensive in >> lives and materials it will be to push Putin's Russia back behind its >> own borders. > > Politicians never want to "solve" problems -- because that is > difficult and means telling people (who put them in power) > things that those people likely won't want to hear. > > It's been so much easier for europe NOT to have to build up their > own defenses as that money can, instead, be spent on social programs, > generous "vacations", etc. Europe has spent quite a lot on it's own defences. The US military-industrial complex would like it to spend more, preferably on buying American weapons from the US military-industrial complex. <snip> -- Bill Sloman, Sydney