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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Liberal MP proposes turning in his Conservative rival to China for a bounty
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 04:52:05 -0000 (UTC)
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On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:55:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 3/31/2025 5:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On Mar 31, 2025 at 2:02:23 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>    On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>    A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him
>>>>>>    in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
>>>>>>    election.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a
>>>>>>    comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a
>>>>>>    city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in Toronto
>>>>>>    for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul of the
>>>>>>    local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>    https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational-
>>>>>>    repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip
>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
>>>>>>    but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling for
>>>>>>    Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark Carney,
>>>>>>    the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is
>>>>>>    resisting demands to dump Chiang.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die
>>>>>>    quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in
>>>>>    public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or
>>>>>    hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could
>>>>>    have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's
>>>>>    perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He needs
>>>>>    to apologize. What a jerk.
>>>>    
>>>>    Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong
>>>>    actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism is
>>>>    pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
>>>>    
>>>>    Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but not
>>>>    for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me either. The
>>>>    opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it can hurt Chiang
>>>>    and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually be serious.
>>>>    
>>>>    Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers
>>>>    manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and making
>>>>    it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to them. I
>>>>    don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
>>>>    
>>>>    We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back,
>>>>    although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is
>>>>    still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept it
>>>>    from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out.
>>> 
>>>  You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent?
>>> 
>>>  Seriously?
>>  
>>  Were you concerned that Sarah Palin was seriously planning to have a sniper
>>  shoot Democrat congressional candidates in the districts her website labeled
>>  with crosshairs?
> 
> Ummm ...no?

Well, most of the Democrat establishment certainly claimed to be after the
Loughner shooting.