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Subject: Re: [OT] Liberal MP proposes turning in his Conservative rival to China for a bounty
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 04:53:17 -0000 (UTC)
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On Mar 31, 2025 at 3:06:25 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 3/31/2025 5:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>  On 2025-03-31 5:02 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>  On 3/31/2025 2:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>  On 2025-03-31 1:51 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>  Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  A Liberal MP made a very controversial statement recently that has him
>>>>>>  in hot water, at least with the opposition, during the current federal
>>>>>>  election.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Paul Chiang, a sitting Liberal MP running for re-election, wrote a
>>>>>>  comment in Chinese media, that his Conservative opponent, Joe Tay, a
>>>>>>  city councillor, should be turned in to the Chinese consulate in 
>>>>>>  Toronto
>>>>>>  for a bounty. Tay is originally from Hong Kong where he ran afoul 
>>>>>>  of the
>>>>>>  local authorities for his anti-Beijing activism.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  https://vancouversun.com/news/federal_election/transnational- 
>>>>>>  repression-jenny-kwan-weighs-in-on-liberal-mps-chinese-bounty-quip
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Liberals are apparently insisting that Chiang's remark was just a joke
>>>>>>  but the opposition parties, Conservative and NDP alike, are calling 
>>>>>>  for
>>>>>>  Chiang to step down and get replaced by another candidate. Mark 
>>>>>>  Carney,
>>>>>>  the new Liberal leader, has the power to dump candidates but is
>>>>>>  resisting demands to dump Chiang.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Given the media's love of Liberals, I'm expecting this story to die
>>>>>>  quickly. I was surprised to learn that Chiang was a cop for 28 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Ok. I'm a defender of the use of off-color jokes and bitter sarcasm in
>>>>>  public speech to make a point, and condemn those who infer racist or
>>>>>  hate speech, taking the remarks out of context.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  If he were contrasting Canada as a free society with China, he could
>>>>>  have said that he'd be subject to arrest in China, but in Canada, he's
>>>>>  perfectly free to run against an incumbant.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  But a bounty? I can't imagine a scenario in which that's funny. He 
>>>>>  needs
>>>>>  to apologize. What a jerk.
>>>> 
>>>>  Proposing to turn in Tay to the Chinese, when his native Hong Kong 
>>>>  actually HAS a bounty on him of $153K for his pro-democracy activism 
>>>>  is pretty damned ominous in my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>>  Apparently Chiang *has* apologized and that's enough for Carney but 
>>>>  not for the opposition parties. I'm not sure it's enough for me 
>>>>  either. The opposition parties may well be pushing this to see if it 
>>>>  can hurt Chiang and/or Carney. I'm concerned that Chiang may actually 
>>>>  be serious.
>>>> 
>>>>  Personally, many of us here are concerned about foreign powers 
>>>>  manipulating our elections by helping candidates they favour and 
>>>>  making it more difficult for candidates that they see as hostile to 
>>>>  them. I don't want our MPs chosen by the CCP, Putin or the USA!
>>>> 
>>>>  We had a major inquiry into this matter just a year or two back, 
>>>>  although I never heard a final report. I don't know if the inquiry is 
>>>>  still mulling things over or if the guilty parties have somehow kept 
>>>>  it from reporting. Maybe I just missed the news when it came out.
>>> 
>>>  You're concerned he might seriously try to bounty-hunt his opponent?
>>> 
>>>  Seriously?
>>> 
>>> 
>>  Probably not personally but he was proposing that others in the 
>>  "community" do so and there are a LOT of Chinese-Canadians in that area. 
>>  Some of them certainly have more loyalty to the CCP than Canada if their 
>>  participation if pro-China demonstrations are any guide.
>>  
>>  A reward of at least $183,000 gives anyone a lot of incentive to bring 
>>  Mr. Tay to the Chinese consulate or one of their secret police stations.
> 
> Then I'll concede that it seems at least in clumsy bad taste ...though 
> I'm surprised to hear that CCP loyalists abound in North America.

Not only abound, but have some famous Americans among their ranks, not the
least of which have the surname Biden.