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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bart <bc@freeuk.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: "A diagram of C23 basic types" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 16:33:46 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <vsjlcp$230a5$1@dont-email.me> References: <87y0wjaysg.fsf@gmail.com> <vsj1m8$1f8h2$1@dont-email.me> <vsj2l9$1j0as$1@dont-email.me> <vsjef3$1u4nk$1@dont-email.me> <vsjg6t$20pdb$1@dont-email.me> <vsjgjn$1v1n4$1@dont-email.me> <vsjk4k$24q5m$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 17:33:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6ec1d618f3662fc028ed5e5779922e31"; logging-data="2195781"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1937Wp2C2sVHgP2P3ooIP76" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zyBfYINsy7dPEYGnC7hgXuly3yQ= In-Reply-To: <vsjk4k$24q5m$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 2690 On 02/04/2025 16:12, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org wrote: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2025 11:12:07 -0300 > Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> wibbled: >> Em 4/2/2025 11:05 AM, Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org escreveu: >>> So what exactly is better / faster / clearer / safer in C23? >> >> We already had some C23 topics here. >> My list >> >> - #warning (better) >> - typeof/auto (better only when strictly necessary) > > Auto as per C++ where its used as a substitute for unknown/long winded > templated types or in range based loops? C doesn't have those so there's no > reason to have it. If you don't know what type you're dealing with in C then > you'll soon be up poo creek. > >> - digit separator (better, safer) > > Meh. What's the problem with it? Here, tell me at a glance the magnitude of this number: 10000000000 You're either likely to get it wrong, or need to start counting digits. Here (not the same number) it's easier: 100_000_000 > >> - binary literal useful > > We've had bitfields for years which cover most use cases. Bitfields and binary literals are completely different things! A binary literal looks like this (if I got the prefix right): 0b1_1101_1101 // the decimal value 447 or hex value 1DD 0b11011101 // same thing without the separators This is a bitfield, which can only appear inside a struct definition: int a:12; The mystery is why it's taken half a century to standardise such literals.