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Path: ...!news.tomockey.net!news.samoylyk.net!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 --- STA Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 10:55:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vsjmks$26s7s$1@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vs9g5p$1v2n9$5@dont-email.me> <vs9gcg$20g2j$3@dont-email.me> <vs9h9o$23cav$2@dont-email.me> <vs9hh3$20g2j$6@dont-email.me> <vs9jie$23cav$4@dont-email.me> <vs9kb1$26cg5$2@dont-email.me> <vs9pni$27rl4$9@dont-email.me> <vs9r1b$28tqg$2@dont-email.me> <vs9t45$2f6n5$1@dont-email.me> <9f2ff3ab9b99a7bb6dfa0885f9757f810ce52e66@i2pn2.org> <vsaam4$2sfhq$1@dont-email.me> <vsbi7e$1hblk$1@dont-email.me> <vsc6qi$27lbo$2@dont-email.me> <8a3e7e93e6cad20b29d23405a0e6dbd497a492ac@i2pn2.org> <vscegq$2fv3s$2@dont-email.me> <26f33bb039fda7d28ae164cfc4d0f582d4698f31@i2pn2.org> <vsclsb$2n4jc$1@dont-email.me> <36a4c76730b23cf78ddde73c723116b5380973a1@i2pn2.org> <vsctnm$2ub5m$2@dont-email.me> <4285ea3219a2d5f2d6c52e84697fa4e3d3dc80cb@i2pn2.org> <vsd18m$379dn$1@dont-email.me> <vsdjff$3o5ff$1@dont-email.me> <vsem50$th5g$3@dont-email.me> <vsepbh$11dqg$1@dont-email.me> <vsf1b2$1a4fc$1@dont-email.me> <038ec0393503335f3bb71d4291c06e0133fc68f9@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2025 17:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="36a00cf537217f356d35d063b30a251f"; logging-data="2322684"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+aIs8Sa6xzDMvgC4O4wt2z" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:NezkIzHozH/ndasCdXjRyJdsB2I= In-Reply-To: <038ec0393503335f3bb71d4291c06e0133fc68f9@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250402-4, 4/2/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3840 On 4/2/2025 9:14 AM, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 31 Mar 2025 16:26:58 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 3/31/2025 2:10 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 31.mrt.2025 om 20:16 schreef olcott: > >>>> A simulating termination analyzer is always correct to abort the >>>> simulation and reject the input as non-halting when-so-ever this input >>>> would otherwise prevent itself from halting. >>>> >>> But the input is halting, as proven by direct execution. >> >> Something other than the input is halting. >> HHH1(DDD) shows the same behavior as the direct execution. >> HHH(DDD) shows the behavior of the actual input. > Why are you not passing DDD as input? Why do you not call what you're > doing HHH(HHH(DDD))? What is the difference in what is passed to HHH1? > This seems to be above your level of technical competence. _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] Anyone understanding the above code where HHH emulates DDD according to the semantics of the x86 language knows that this DDD (not some other different DDD) cannot possibly reach its own final halt state. Maybe the whole problem is that everyone here including Mike never had an actual clue about the x86 language. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer