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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!tor.dont-email.me!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Aether Regained <AetherRegaind@somewhere.in.the.aether> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The HOAX of the neutrino invention. After 95 years don't know shit. Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2025 15:56:00 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 85 Message-ID: <vsmajn$117da$2@tor.dont-email.me> References: <0dd990630edbc9332716605722eb087a@www.novabbs.com> <44ef69c8-7f7f-90b6-dadf-233572ebf4a8@somewhere.in.the.aether> <cBqdna6gMKl5unP6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2025 17:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: tor.dont-email.me; posting-host="3c97bd07bb1c38aeba36d95c2f8f88d1"; logging-data="1088938"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+NhzLYVk9fmE1RlR2Zh2MB3JHStSW48qU=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:foIWh63HUiuvqc/YTBlb3i43FPA= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <cBqdna6gMKl5unP6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> Bytes: 5186 Ross Finlayson: > On 04/02/2025 12:57 PM, Aether Regained wrote: >> rhertz:> In 1930 Wolfgang Pauli proposed the existence of the neutrino >> (named in >>> 1933 by Fermi) to solve the violation of energy conservation in beta >>> decay (when a neutron turns into a proton and emits an electron). >>> Scientists observed that the emitted electrons had varying energies, >>> rather than a fixed value as expected. The neutrino was ALLEGEDLY >>> detected experimentally by Cowan and Reines in 1956. >>> >>> The missing energy varied from 0.1 to 0.2 eV (millions of times lower >>> than electrons at rest). Pauli assumed that neutrinos might be massless, >>> like photons, and this kept in the '70s, with the Standard Model >>> (1970s). Analysis from Solar Neutrinos (1960s–2001) suggested that >>> neutrinos oscillate, wich (de Broglie) require mass. >>> >>> Up to date, the neutinos mass is UNKNOWN. As neutrinos proved to be the >>> JOKER CARD of particle physics, different types of neutrino emerged >>> since its invention TO JUSTIFY the conservation of energy. All three of >>> them were asigned a spin of 1/2 in the Standard Model, only for >>> equations involving SMEP charged particles. They are; Electron neutrino >>> (< 2.2 eV), Muon neutrino (< 0.17 eV) and Tau neutrino (< 15.5 MeV). The >>> energies ARE STILL NOT KNOWN (so their mass, IF THEY HAVE IT AT ALL). >>> >> >> In psychology there is a well documented phenomenon, in which a >> perpetrator accuses others of the very sin he is guilty of. >> >> Pauli is the classic example of this. He was the one who coined the >> term: "NOT EVEN WRONG" to describe a theory that could not be falsified. >> In hindsight we see that it was his coping mechanism or a preemptive >> measure he took, so others didn't accuse him of being "NOT EVEN WRONG" >> with his unfalsifiable neutrino theory. >> > > Yeah, it's usually called "projection". > Thanks Ross. That is exactly the term I was trying to recall. Wikipedia has some more interesting details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection > Pauli was a pragmatist, as a physicist he wasn't much of a philosopher, > sort of a narrow view. The Pauli principle of course is part and parcel > of particle physics, since they aren't points and not perfect, > then I read that he was rather irascible and not very congenial, > then that his interactions as much discouraged others as made > any sorts positive contributions himself. > > Or, after Pauli principle and Pauli/Dirac formalism and that, > he's mostly "not even wrong", .... > > Neutrino theory isn't unfalsifiable, something like "virtual photons" > are quite worse, while of course "dark matter and energy" are pretty > much having falsified a usual sort theory with such type things. > > > I.e., one can re-write QED with a different mechanism and it could > be just as explanatory as "virtual photons", and, they don't have > the usual accoutrement of virtual particle auto-annihilation that > makes other kinds of virtual particles falsifiable, and, the > crisis in cosmology is a rather poor charade. > > Anyways I'd like to think that Pauli had at least one good idea, > since otherwise Pauli principle is just a rather simple excluded middle, > in geometry, then otherwise he's more guilty of dumbing > down the discussion than being memorable for something greater, > it's not really that relevant, though for example I point to > Pauli principle for what it is and Pauli/Dirac a usual formalism. > > There are others that suffice for the same things, .... > > > There's projection then there's also a sort of reverse projection, > though that's sort of more the passive than the active, say. > > > Anyways neutrinos are definitely a thing and the crisis in > cosmology is definitely a thing, and most people don't give > two cares about it, and most's opinions aren't worth two cents. > >