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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 ---
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On 4/2/2025 9:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 4/2/25 10:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 4/2/2025 8:52 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Tue, 01 Apr 2025 21:37:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 4/1/2025 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 4/1/25 7:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/1/2025 5:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/31/25 10:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> But DDD doesn't prevent its own terminatation, as it calls an HHH
>>>>>>> that WILL abort its emulation and return and answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know that DDD stopping running and DDD reaching its final halt
>>>>>> state are not the same thing you damned liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Right, the DDD who's simulation is stopped hasn't shown non-halting
>>>>> behavior, just not-yet-halted.
>>>>>
>>>> You already admitted that you are lying about this.
>>>> DDD emulated by HHH for an infinite number of steps never reaches its
>>>> final halt state.
>>> *finite
>>>
>>>> HHH sees this in one recursive emulation of DDD.
>>>>
>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer Principle*
>>>> It is always correct for any simulating termination analyzer to stop
>>>> simulating and reject any input that would otherwise prevent its own
>>>> termination. The only rebuttal to this is rejecting the notion that
>>>> deciders must always halt.
>>> It must also return the right value.
>>>
>>
>> By process of elimination and by the above criteria
>> we can determine that not stopping the emulation
>> causes HHH to never halt. This only leaves stopping
>> the emulation that semantically entails that the
>> input must be rejected.
>>
> 
> No, because HHH must do what HHH does.
> 

So I am tong because you claim that HHH
does not do what it does?

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