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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: Apple requires too much money and sacrifice of control
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2025 23:11:58 -0700
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On 2025-04-04 17:21, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/bNZVr8U.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've just shown that you DO NOT need 32GB of RAM...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (and that Linux isn't smart enough to count RAM in base-2).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/4jItMI0.png
>>>>>
>>>>> As you can see, today, I have puked out a little into swap.
>>>>
>>>> Dude: give it up.
>>>>
>>>> You've got 33.5 decimal gigabytes of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> 19.2GB is in use with the other 14.3GB used for cache.
>>>>
>>>> And 3.7MB...
>>>>
>>>> ...one HUNDREDTH of one percent of it...
>>>>
>>>> ...is swapped out...
>>>>
>>>> ...and you think that's a solid argument?
>>>>
>>>> Linux has 14.3GB used for caching and for some reason chooses to swap a
>>>> tiny, TINY fraction of data rather than use a little less for cache...
>>>>
>>>> ...and you think you're proving something good?
>>>
>>> So let me get this straight, your argument is that cache isn't
>>> actually needed?
>> I'm arguing that you've yet to show your system actually using close to
>> all the RAM you say you need.
> 
> 
> It's not using it *for main RAM*, but including cache, it literally is
> using it all as the image shows, requiring the use of swap.
Nope.

For whatever reason, Linux is prioritizing caching over keeping data in 
RAM to avoid swapping out.