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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Proving the: Simulating termination analyzer Principle Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 00:25:47 +0100 Organization: Fix this later Lines: 30 Message-ID: <vsse5t$3gbj1$1@dont-email.me> References: <vss56v$375du$2@dont-email.me> <vss91c$3b1no$1@dont-email.me> <vssabb$3aqnp$2@dont-email.me> <vssavl$3b2j0$3@dont-email.me> <20250405153728.395@kylheku.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2025 01:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dbe7ec1ac8ffd7a60b5ada94cfd55d95"; logging-data="3681889"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/DLvIH0S7wACts5T4ZZxUtIQN/a0VAqEikxSL5J9k+fw==" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:DCUlORpJEN4gmGAhQSDClpAa1m4= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <20250405153728.395@kylheku.com> On 05/04/2025 23:42, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > On 2025-04-05, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote: >> On 05/04/2025 23:20, olcott wrote: >>> ... >> The difference between us is that I know it and you don't. > > Olcott resides in a fortress he built out of bricks that were > specially ordered from Dunning and Kruger's website. > You're not getting through. Well, no. On the other hand, the discussion has in places driven me to the literature and has thus in its own way been educational. For example, I was surprised to discover that although Turing's 1936 paper does deal with the Halting Problem, he doesn't actually use that term, which didn't surface until 1952. I also stumbled on a 1972 paper on incomputability by Tony Hoare and Donald Allison - well worth the read, and I was amused by its somewhat prescient opening paragraph: "[...] programmers have been known to attempt solutions to problems which are probably unsolvable; the existence of such problems should be of interest to all programmers." Clearly, 53 years ago, they already had Olcott nailed. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within