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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Past Blast - "Wonder Woman 1984" - Corp Guy Using PET Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 01:53:22 +0100 Organization: A little, after lunch Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vssja3$3ki2e$5@dont-email.me> References: <3LScnf6o-ddHmXD6nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <m55g9gF1fe1U1@mid.individual.net> <PrWcnfSsir_Q_3P6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> <m5834aFe093U2@mid.individual.net> <vLqdnVb4yaZObXP6nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> <m58omiFguqjU3@mid.individual.net> <20250404075333.000000fc@gmail.com> <pa2dnTX2hoJwW236nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> <m5c5f4F35tlU1@mid.individual.net> <gmmdnfQoUay9dW36nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <m5dgomF9mvkU2@mid.individual.net> <X0idnaa5DI6SXGz6nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> <slrnvv3hr3.g7g.spamtrap42@one.localnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2025 02:53:23 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ea1c23368ed6ad290fd0077d99a401bd"; logging-data="3819598"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/HAdVEXqcQjIrPC4L19UbxGT6deMhpHQI=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wFkrVDm6z00nsW6YCv0CcZ1baIA= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <slrnvv3hr3.g7g.spamtrap42@one.localnet> Bytes: 2995 On 06/04/2025 01:14, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2025-04-05, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote: >> ... >> >> I still see debate over whether the 6502 was 'better' >> than the 6809. The 6502 was envisioned as the 'improved' >> 6809 by the Motorola defectors - and in some ways was. >> However they also left out some registers that were >> convenient to compiler writers. So, no verdict. > > I don't have chapter and verse to quote, but back in the day I > was told that the original design of the 6502 _WAS_ superior to > the 6809, but Motorola sued on a basis of IP theft or similar, > and the 6502 was dumbed down by removing registers and/or > crippling the indexing modes. One of the first things that > struck me about the 6502's indexing and other addressing modes > was that it looked/smelled crippled. > > Around 1980 or so, I had a short assembly program for 6502. It > may have been a college assignment. Just for fun, I rewrote it > for 6800 and then for 6809. Then, I counted the number of > instructions in all three versions. The 6800 version used 2/3 > the number of instructions as the 6502 version. The 6809 version > used half of the instructions of the 6502 version. > ....but the 6502 ran faster -- "In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is true: it is true because it is powerful." Lucas Bergkamp