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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 09:12:52 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vsu256$15keg$3@dont-email.me> References: <vs17id$21gj2$1@dont-email.me> <vs1m78$26rhi$2@dont-email.me> <vs2glq$35mlr$2@dont-email.me> <b5t9ujtrk4ph0rcl8stghedkbcmv2ho64q@4ax.com> <vs3uvg$la27$1@dont-email.me> <87iknsq422.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <vs751k$3k5eb$1@dont-email.me> <87o6xkmwqn.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <5rteuj1mr9a65enuv3jqj7sfmpgurreaqs@4ax.com> <vs92mm$1j1nq$2@dont-email.me> <m4qvduFb17oU1@mid.individual.net> <p83hujhub0kjjqbldnkenuod55mq8uu4nt@4ax.com> <vsa9hq$2ret2$1@dont-email.me> <ofihujd2o07rbh7crvbght0v8q35emp49b@4ax.com> <87iknpxigi.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <vsel0o$p14u$4@dont-email.me> <87tt79kodg.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> <vsf5o5$1f45h$1@dont-email.me> <87ecy6m1be.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2025 16:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b086ace5d054b71df46ffdf5158419c5"; logging-data="1233360"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+WyekhNtxWQAEAvU8bfIkJ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:z6w61r5TGREc5F957hF5wN/JHQA= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <87ecy6m1be.fsf@mothra.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Bytes: 3159 On 4/5/2025 10:11 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: > Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes: > >> On 3/31/2025 3:10 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: >>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes: >>> >>>> On 3/31/2025 12:39 PM, Radey Shouman wrote: >>>>> Actually I was talking to Mr. Krygowski. It seems to me that his >>>>> standards for studies on flu shots are different to those for bike >>>>> helmets, and I was curious as to what had convinced him of the efficacy >>>>> and safety of flu shots. >>>> >>>> As I said, there is nationwide, ~ whole population data indicating flu >>>> vaccines have high effectiveness in preventing infection and/or >>>> hospitalization. There is no such nationwide data for bike helmets, >>>> and indeed nationwide data shows no apparent benefit. And there are >>>> serious weaknesses in many or most helmet promoting studies. >>> Could you provide a link to that data, and its analysis? >> Look up cyclist fatality counts since, oh, 1980, the time during which >> helmets became normalized and popular. There is no significant >> reduction in fatalities. And I've given links to several articles >> describing increases in cyclist concussions. > > I meant any evidence of the net benefits of flu shots. > Benefits are real. In some small percentage of vaccinated people. Overall about as effective as a bicycle helmet. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971