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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Proving the: Simulating termination analyzer Principle Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2025 10:37:14 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <vsu73b$1b0t8$1@dont-email.me> References: <vss56v$375du$2@dont-email.me> <vss91c$3b1no$1@dont-email.me> <vssabb$3aqnp$2@dont-email.me> <vssavl$3b2j0$3@dont-email.me> <20250405153728.395@kylheku.com> <vsse5t$3gbj1$1@dont-email.me> <86tt71fuxh.fsf@linuxsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2025 17:37:16 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a0d5cae0ac38f7228b3431764d8a6b3c"; logging-data="1409960"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/n7wqmEFNP/Bs4NkD5Bwlp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZWloaL2T1/h3eWAjS+8FgDNDVs4= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <86tt71fuxh.fsf@linuxsc.com> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250406-2, 4/6/2025), Outbound message Bytes: 3348 On 4/6/2025 5:25 AM, Tim Rentsch wrote: > Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes: > >> On 05/04/2025 23:42, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >> >>> On 2025-04-05, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/04/2025 23:20, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>>> ... >>>> >>>> The difference between us is that I know it and you don't. >>> >>> Olcott resides in a fortress he built out of bricks that were >>> specially ordered from Dunning and Kruger's website. >>> You're not getting through. >> >> Well, no. On the other hand, the discussion has in places driven >> me to the literature and has thus in its own way been >> educational. For example, I was surprised to discover that >> although Turing's 1936 paper does deal with the Halting Problem, >> he doesn't actually use that term, which didn't surface until >> 1952. I also stumbled on a 1972 paper on incomputability by Tony >> Hoare and Donald Allison - well worth the read, and I was amused >> by its somewhat prescient opening paragraph: "[...] programmers >> have been known to attempt solutions to problems which are >> probably unsolvable; the existence of such problems should be of >> interest to all programmers." Clearly, 53 years ago, they already >> had Olcott nailed. > > I agree these discoveries are interesting, but the subject still > isn't one that is suitable for comp.lang.c. A good way to avoid > these long pointless discussions is not to respond to postings > that are not suitable to comp.lang.c, except to point out that > they are not suitable to comp.lang.c. And for any given poster, > don't respond to unsuitable postings more often than once a month. My intent was to focus on the semantics of a pair of C functions. Digression into computer science seems inappropriate and never was my intent. The comp.theory people refused to consider the semantics of C aspects of these functions. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer