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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Future of online fora
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:27:48 -0500
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On 4/7/2025 4:23 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 15:58:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/7/2025 3:49 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 15:06:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2025 11:44 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2025 12:17:29 -0400, Radey Shouman
>>>>> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Apr 2025 23:42:28 -0400, Radey Shouman
>>>>>>> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/3/2025 9:54 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:12:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The forum LFGSS (London Fixed Gear and Single Speed) is
>>>>>>>>>>> among the early casualties of The Planners in the UK nanny
>>>>>>>>>>> state.  Under the well invoked principle, "Everyone ought
>>>>>>>>>>> to, because I say so", newly enacted internet regulation
>>>>>>>>>>> makes online providers fully responsible for online content
>>>>>>>>>>> including purported crimes of "revenge [whether personal or
>>>>>>>>>>> by class], extreme pornography, sex trafficking, harassment,
>>>>>>>>>>> coercive or controlling behavior and stalking."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since interpretation of those can be highly subjective* and
>>>>>>>>>>> in light of the huge volume of content, every word of which
>>>>>>>>>>> is a possible offense, providers such as Microcosm, who
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote the popular group forum software, have deleted all
>>>>>>>>>>> activity and more have followed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *c.f. plentiful examples of the last three right here on
>>>>>>>>>>> RBT. Or not. That's the nature of subjective evaluation.
>>>>>>>>>> A week or so ago I read a notice that both Tom Sawyer and Alice in
>>>>>>>>>> Wonderland had been blacklisted by some group or another.
>>>>>>>>>> Alice for the term "evil witch" or something similar.
>>>>>>>>>> As for Tom I can only assume that any reference of the Civil war
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> soon be unmentionable in polite society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, there's that.  And a greater loss, which is the nearly complete
>>>>>>>>> obliteration of Huckleberry Finn, a far superior volume to the forced
>>>>>>>>> and anemic Tom Sawyer.  It's among the most powerful anti racism works
>>>>>>>>> ever published, but it's been banned in schools for decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Long before the current moral panic, _Huckleberry Finn_ was a
>>>>>>>> problematic due to its arc to the famous line "All right then, I'll go
>>>>>>>> to Hell".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that is the point when he decides to do what he believes to be
>>>>>>> right rather then be governed by laws and customs, isn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly.  Is that the message we want to send to impressionable children?
>>>>>
>>>>> yes it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes.
>>>>
>>>> I referred to the spectrum of that obliquely. I can be more
>>>> explicit.
>>>>
>>>> Examples of "he decides to do what he believes to be right
>>>> rather then be governed by laws and customs"  covers Rosa
>>>> Parks as well as Timothy McVeigh.
>>>
>>> Understand that I am not suggesting that there be no consequences for
>>> what a person does, but still, how does a person face himself in the
>>> mirror if he does not, at the very least, weigh his principles against
>>> the consequences?
>>>
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>
>> Right.  Then again there are principles and there are
>> principles.
>>
>> Some are more defensible than others.
>>
>> We all appreciate individual courage where system and
>> convention are wrong.  But that's hard to universalize as
>> sometimes convention is already the best approach.
> 
> I wonder what the percentage of people in the world are happy with the
> world as it is. I suspect that it's pretty small.
> 
> --
> C'est bon
> Soloman

Well, yes but that's a low standard. And not helpful

People who don't like 'things as they are' include communist 
idealists, Libertarians and jihadis.  Over to you.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971