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From: Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: About argument
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 11:02:36 -0500
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On 4/7/2025 10:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 20:16:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/7/2025 7:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On 7 Apr 2025 17:44:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 6 Apr 2025 14:36:08 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6 Apr 2025 13:11:26 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Apr 2025 12:34:18 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2025 4:59 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 13:14:48 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least here on RBT we do beat a subject to death with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboards, leaving no aspect of any discussion unturned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere, those who fail to form compelling argument just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give up and throw punches:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be fair, you can't argue with crazy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2025/04/05/us-news/pro-life-activist-recalls-moment-she-was-punched-during-harlem-interview/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in knowing if it worked. Did the pro-lifer
>>>>>>>>>>>> suddenly start caring about people AFTER they were born?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Imagine less un-loved and abandoned children. Surely a plus?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with photos
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More interested in psych evaluations than photos...
>>>>>>>>>>>> []'s
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to put it as if the pro-life person did not somehow care
>>>>>>>>>>> for people already. The act of life and the making of life is sacred.
>>>>>>>>>>> All human life is sacred in that it is made in the image and likeness of
>>>>>>>>>>> God. I am all pro-life there is nothing else as important since without
>>>>>>>>>>> life there is nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Without wishing to speak for Shadow, it?s the single issue aspect of it, ie
>>>>>>>>>> do they want to help or support family with kids or medical issues and so
>>>>>>>>>> on?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let alone the fact that it?s wishing to intervene (largely men would seem)
>>>>>>>>>> what is women?s rights, and not one taken lightly it?s a horrible thing to
>>>>>>>>>> go through I?m told.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's horrifying?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Abortion?s are deeply unpleasant for anyone to go through, and takes some
>>>>>>>> time to recover from. Not something people will choose lightly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It depends on the length of the pregnancy. Here, "Business Girls" will
>>>>>>> be seeing the doctor as soon as they miss a few days and while I never
>>>>>>> asked them the details they never seem to miss more then a couple days
>>>>>>> at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even so it will be rather brutal and frankly if they are regularly getting
>>>>>> pregnant they will also be getting various sexually transmitted infections
>>>>>> such as Aids.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could someone in a desperate situation push through? Probably yes but they
>>>>>> will still be bleeding and generally recovering for a few days/weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ie not something they would choose to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know where you get your information but it  is, to some extent
>>>>> wrong. Abortion in the early days of a  pregnancy results in no more
>>>>> bleeding and pain the a normal "period". Or at least that is what Thai
>>>>> and Japanese women have told me.
>>>>
>>>> That’s not what the either the NHS information says, or what women who have
>>>> had an Abortion say, ie it’s not just a minor thing.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think I'm making this stuff up? I'm not, I'm simple repeating
>>> what I've been told by the girls that have had it done and as I've
>>> said they tell me that its "no big deal" in the early months. But do
>>> note the "early months" as I have also said "they also told me that in
>>> the later months it was a much different story"
>>>
>>>>> But having said that they also told me that in the later months it was
>>>>> a much different story.
>>>>>    
>>>>> Currently, here in Thailand, a woman pregnant up to the 20th week can
>>>>> get an abortion at the hospital of her choice simply by asking. Above
>>>>> 20,weeks it becomes much more complicates.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure at what point or rather can’t remember but I’d imagine the last
>>>> date would be fairly similar, bar medical exemption.
>>>
>>> Perhaps because in the late 20's the fetus may be able to survive
>>> outside the mother and thus can be thought of a "person" which might
>>> raise all sorts of moral problems in a Buddhist society. However that
>>> is just a supposition on my part..
>>>
>>
>> I sincerely do not know how Buddhists define inception of
>> human life and I'm curious now, if you know.
>>
>> For Christians, it's at conception but for Jews it's 'first
>> breath'.  That's a huge difference as regards attitudes
>> toward abortion.
>>
>> I am making no argument, just asking about Buddhist thought.
>> In Thailand anyway.
> 
> I don't know in detail but, for instance, if you buy live fish, to
> eat, in the market you might ask the seller to kill them for you. Thus
> while the fish was killed at your command you would not be seen as
> causing the death.
> 
> But my nephew was a Monk for 5 years I'll ask him when I see him.
> 
> But religions are Strange, if that is the correct term. The perpetual
> virginity of Mary is a Christian doctrine that Mary, the mother of
> Jesus, was a virgin "before, during and after" the birth of Christ.
> Declared in AD 533 :-)

She was in is and that is a statement of faith. You can believe it or 
not. It might seem odd and strange and go against all the rules you 
normally know and understand, however God is beyond rules.

Here is another rule. You cannot go to the Christian God first. He must 
start the process since he is god all powerful. God must make the first 
move yet you have human freedom. My suggestion is to Study Aquinas he 
was the master a long time ago.

-- 
Deacon Mark