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Subject: Re: California: 15 is Too Young to Ride in Front Seat
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:51:33 -0000 (UTC)
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On Apr 8, 2025 at 6:30:09 AM PDT, "Nyssa" <Nyssa@logicalinsight.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 wrote:
> 
>>  On Apr 5, 2025 at 4:32:10 PM PDT, "Rhino"
>>  <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 2025-04-05 6:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>  
>>>>   Wait, so California says children as young as 12 can
>>>>   "change their gender" and consent to life-altering
>>>>   medical procedures without their parents' consent (or
>>>>   even knowledge) but they're not mature enough to ride
>>>>   in the front seat of a car until they're 16.
>>>>   
>>>>   The California legislature seems to be permanently set
>>>>   on April Fools Clown Mode.
>>>>   
>>>>   https://ibb.co/4RnTHKLt
>>>>   
>>>  They may have gotten the idea from the Brits. It's been
>>>  illegal for kids under 16 (or it may be 14) to sit in the
>>>  front seat in the UK for quite a few years.
>>  
>>  My question (beyond the absurdity mentioned above) is what
>>  if you don't have a back seat? There are plenty of sports
>>  cars that only have a driver and a passenger seat and a
>>  lot of pickup trucks also don't have back seats. Do you
>>  have to go out and buy a whole new vehicle just to
>>  accommodate this silly law?
>>  
>>>  For what it's worth, I completely agree that it is beyond
>>>  absurd for kids under 18 to get "gender-affirming"
>>>  medications or surgery without parental consent. (Even if
>>>  they had parental consent, I'd hope some of the people
>>>  who had those meds or procedures would turn around and
>>>  sue their parents eventually once they grew up a little
>>>  and realized what a bad idea it was.)
> 
> In many places, kids can get their learner's permit and/or
> a driver's license at 15.

Yes, there are some places where the nanny-state laws conflict with other
laws, like driving. In some states, a kid can get a driver permit that allows
them to drive a car by themselves but since they're still a minor, they're not
allowed outside unsupervised, so they're committing a violation of the law by
using the permit the state gave them.

> How are they supposed to learn to drive from the backseat?
> 
> Nyssa, who knows that some 15 year olds can be on the tall
> and bulky side, especially those who play basketball,
> football, and other sports or just have tall parents and
> have a growth spurt