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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: "A diagram of C23 basic types" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 14:25:52 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <vt3pnm$2pe3r$2@dont-email.me> References: <87y0wjaysg.fsf@gmail.com> <vsj1m8$1f8h2$1@dont-email.me> <vsj2l9$1j0as$1@dont-email.me> <vsjef3$1u4nk$1@dont-email.me> <vsjg6t$20pdb$1@dont-email.me> <vsjgjn$1v1n4$1@dont-email.me> <vsjk4k$24q5m$1@dont-email.me> <vsjlcp$230a5$1@dont-email.me> <vsni1v$291i3$5@dont-email.me> <vt13vp$bjs0$1@dont-email.me> <20250407211216.00006238@yahoo.com> <vt192f$h52j$1@dont-email.me> <vt2mop$1qtjd$3@dont-email.me> <vt2v8j$2303h$1@dont-email.me> <20250408142010.00002678@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2025 20:25:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a82decdcecbf2be3578dae3b9c5284d3"; logging-data="2930811"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+sFxfDKZbrd7fcVEkZ1dI7pzgzWatibHQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:snKJHReLW4LIgJFMzyjuf7Xi/dk= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <20250408142010.00002678@yahoo.com> Bytes: 2843 On 4/8/25 07:20, Michael S wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 10:54:12 -0000 (UTC) .... > The question to which I found no answer by googling is when Americans > themselves decided that billion means 1e9. I generally find Wikipedia a more useful source that Google for this kind of information. The previously referenced Wikipedia article on long scales versus short scales asserts that "The short scale was never widespread before its general adoption in the United States. It has been taught in American schools since the early 1800s" It cites " Smith, David Eugene (1953) [first published 1925]. History of Mathematics. Vol. II. Courier Dover Publications. p. 81. ISBN 978-0-486-20430-7." as the source for that claim. It also says "The first American appearance of the short scale value of billion as 109 was published in the Greenwood Book of 1729, written anonymously by Prof. Isaac Greenwood of Harvard College.", citing the same reference. This does not contradict the first statement - it might have taken 70 years to become widespread from the first time it appeared. And finally, it says "In the United States, the short scale has been taught in school since the early 19th century. It is therefore used exclusively" Citing "Cambridge Dictionaries Online. Cambridge University Press. Retrieved 21 August 2011." as it's source for that statement.