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From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 13:17:19 +0200
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Am 08.04.2025 um 18:51 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> On 4/7/2025 9:41 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>
>> Physicians are supposed to treat in order to benefit the patient.
> 
> Is that written and recognized somewhere, especially in a way that 
> excludes benefiting others who may catch a disease from the patient?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath>

Obviously, benefit to others is not "excluded" but must not must not 
come at a cost to the person treated (medical diagnosis is different 
from medical treatment).

In German law, medical treatment without "informed consent" counts a 
Grievous Bodily Harm.  "Informed consent" for purely altruistic 
interventions (e.g. donate a kidney to your daughter) must be documented 
very meticulously.

> It would seem to forbid the ancient and very sound practice of quarantine.

"Vaccination to contain" in the simplest form of an optional flu shot is 
typically a "minor benefit" rather than a "detriment" to the person 
vaccinated.  The containment aspect mostly comes into the game when 
health insurances decide whether and how much the patient has to pay for 
the pleasure.

The ancient and sound practice of Quarantaine is typically imposed and 
administrated by "Public Health" officials putting potentially 
infectuous people out of the public, not by physicians.