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Subject: Re: The Demonization of Shakespeare
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:53:01 -0700
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On 4/8/25 16:46, LionelEdwards wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 23:19:40 +0000, LionelEdwards wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 21:15:14 +0000, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>>>
>>>> Oh wait, there's Henry V which is all about embracing enemies and other
>>>> cultures like the French.... at least once you get to the ending.
>>>
>>> For certain values of "embrace":
>>>
>>>     We are glad the Dauphin is so pleasant with us;
>>>     His present and your pains we thank you for.
>>>     When we have match'd our rackets to these balls,
>>>     We will in France, by God's grace, play a set
>>>     Shall strike his father's crown into the hazard.
>>>     ....
>>>
>>>     And tell the pleasant Prince this mock of his
>>>     Hath turn'd his balls to gun-stones, and his soul
>>>     Shall stand sore charged for the wasteful vengeance
>>>     That shall fly with them; for many a thousand widows
>>>     Shall this his mock mock of their dear husbands;
>>>     Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down;
>>>     And some are yet ungotten and unborn
>>>     That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin's scorn.
>>
>> Great quotes and thank you for them. I'd thought Scott
>> Dorsey was referring to the French language scene at the
>> end of Henry V?
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH47UslWpc>
> 
> Donald Trump seems to be quoting Henry these days:
> 

I think not and it would by only accident be that it seem so. Neither 
the would-be dictator nor his speech writers seem to be literate.

> "Dear Kate, you and I cannot be confined within
> the weak list of a country's fashion: we are the
> makers of manners, Kate; and the liberty that
> follows our places stops the mouth of all find-faults;
> as I will do yours, for upholding the nice fashion
> of your country in denying me a kiss: therefore,
> patiently and yielding.
> 
> [Kissing her]
> 
> You have witchcraft in your lips, Kate: there is
> more eloquence in a sugar touch of them than in the
> tongues of the French council; and they should
> sooner persuade Harry of England than a general
> petition of monarchs. 


Here comes your father.

I didn't know I was quoting Shakespeare when I said that to my high 
school girlfriend. I was more well read than I knew.

-- 
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Dave Scruggs
Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I 
thinking?)