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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BCFD 36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: The Demonization of Shakespeare Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:53:01 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Message-ID: <vt6c5t$14aqk$1@dont-email.me> References: <1gc5vjlp553t7n6gsf0hu569m3gbsh1rj4@4ax.com> <XnsB2BA854B08C091F3QA2@135.181.20.170> <m5jqrdFbb8oU1@mid.individual.net> <vt3dvu$esr$1@panix2.panix.com> <87zfgqe4nx.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> <0f87424284ee26e1e9f80a2a130c73f8@www.novabbs.com> <17e73c1774bdcd2008d870301a745a49@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 19:53:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="369d1b7cc750226b4d8ca1f904c4cd48"; logging-data="1190740"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+pqKoxVa2V15vpboEzjDo3" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:CQhC4pXeL3j3EmbZ4EkxmLRGDsU= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <17e73c1774bdcd2008d870301a745a49@www.novabbs.com> Bytes: 3922 On 4/8/25 16:46, LionelEdwards wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 23:19:40 +0000, LionelEdwards wrote: > >> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 21:15:14 +0000, Mike Spencer wrote: >> >>> >>> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes: >>> >>>> Oh wait, there's Henry V which is all about embracing enemies and other >>>> cultures like the French.... at least once you get to the ending. >>> >>> For certain values of "embrace": >>> >>> We are glad the Dauphin is so pleasant with us; >>> His present and your pains we thank you for. >>> When we have match'd our rackets to these balls, >>> We will in France, by God's grace, play a set >>> Shall strike his father's crown into the hazard. >>> .... >>> >>> And tell the pleasant Prince this mock of his >>> Hath turn'd his balls to gun-stones, and his soul >>> Shall stand sore charged for the wasteful vengeance >>> That shall fly with them; for many a thousand widows >>> Shall this his mock mock of their dear husbands; >>> Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles down; >>> And some are yet ungotten and unborn >>> That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin's scorn. >> >> Great quotes and thank you for them. I'd thought Scott >> Dorsey was referring to the French language scene at the >> end of Henry V? >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmH47UslWpc> > > Donald Trump seems to be quoting Henry these days: > I think not and it would by only accident be that it seem so. Neither the would-be dictator nor his speech writers seem to be literate. > "Dear Kate, you and I cannot be confined within > the weak list of a country's fashion: we are the > makers of manners, Kate; and the liberty that > follows our places stops the mouth of all find-faults; > as I will do yours, for upholding the nice fashion > of your country in denying me a kiss: therefore, > patiently and yielding. > > [Kissing her] > > You have witchcraft in your lips, Kate: there is > more eloquence in a sugar touch of them than in the > tongues of the French council; and they should > sooner persuade Harry of England than a general > petition of monarchs. Here comes your father. I didn't know I was quoting Shakespeare when I said that to my high school girlfriend. I was more well read than I knew. -- ---------------- Dave Scruggs Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired) Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired) Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)