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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: The People Versus John Oliver: The Murky Ethics Of Modern Comedy
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 19:03:02 -0400
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On 4/9/2025 5:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2025 at 1:51:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/9/2025 3:19 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>   On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:52:18 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>   On 4/8/2025 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>     On Apr 8, 2025 at 7:09:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>>     On 4/8/2025 7:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>       On Apr 8, 2025 at 1:58:43 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>       On 4/8/2025 4:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         On Apr 8, 2025 at 12:13:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>         On 4/8/2025 2:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>           moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>           On 4/8/2025 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           On Apr 8, 2025 at 10:00:28 AM PDT, "shawn"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:46:14 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           On Apr 8, 2025 at 1:30:43 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Take Bill Burr, who insinuated Kyle Rittenhouse was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   White Supremacist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           during his Netflix special "Bill Burr Presents: Friends Who Kill".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Rittenhouse shot three people, killing two and injuring one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     during a 2020
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           fracas tied to the BLM protests. A court of law found him innocent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           agreeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           with his self-defense explanation. Elements of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and the Left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           insisted his actions were racist, even though his victims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   were white and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           couldn't pin any racially-charged comments to the young man.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           That's still the most bizarre aspect of that whole case: a white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       guy shoots
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           two other white guys and the black grievance brigade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts screaming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           "raaaaciiism!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Come again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           I think it's more of why he traveled across state lines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to supposedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           protect a business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           And how was *that* racist?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           That he ended up shooting some white guys doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           get around the fact that he was there to supposedly protect the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           business from BLM protestors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           So now it's racist to protect your property from vandalism and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     looting if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>           being done by blacks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>           Of course it is, if you ignore it when it's being done by whites.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>           He obviously wasn't doing that because the ones he shot were whites.
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>           And who the hell would sit back and let their property be looted and
>>>>>>>>>>>       burned
>>>>>>>>>>>           just because the perps were white, anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         The question of his racism is one of whether he sprang to this
>>>>>>>>>>         interdiction because the alleged perps were black.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>         Or the only ones burning down cities across the nation that
>>>>>>>>> summer were
>>>>>>>>>       black.
>>>>>>>>>         He went where the problem was.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       But what determines his racism is the matter of *why* he went.
>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>       Only if you pre-suppose there was racism no matter what and the
>>>>>>> only issue
>>>>>>>     was
>>>>>>>       finding out its cause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes, we start with a not-too-risky premise that indeed there IS racism
>>>>>>
>>>>>     No, YOU start with that because, like most leftists, you think
>>>>> everything is
>>>>>     racist.
>>>>
>>>>   I don't know which is more puzzling, the idea that there's no such thing
>>>>   as racism, or you telling me what I think.
>>>   
>>>   I'm puzzled by you implicit claim that I've denied the existence of racism.
>>
>> Umm, you said I mustn't "pre-suppose there was racism".
> 
> There's a significant difference between saying "racism doesn't exist" and
> "racism doesn't exist everywhere".

Throughout the U.S., there was -- and is -- racism.  For a while, now.