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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: About argument Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 10:32:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vt8o9e$391kl$1@dont-email.me> References: <3035vjlihdlur7q25vhjhbbvmsipb4t2rv@4ax.com> <m5fhqoFjv4oU1@mid.individual.net> <es76vj99cek3vkstklcjgakabjg78gaoji@4ax.com> <m5ih8nF41fsU1@mid.individual.net> <rlr8vj1fc1helj0r415jdvat6aqf415kjh@4ax.com> <vt1tcp$12712$1@dont-email.me> <lc39vj9ht1gske2k7m3do02t357jos0uqr@4ax.com> <vt3hat$2if0e$2@dont-email.me> <nefbvjlb4ph9ma06qj8do5o6h0ln46a4ei@4ax.com> <vt67do$10gjb$1@dont-email.me> <ct6evjdmchjprt0ca3v9p0kmei0hukpvqo@4ax.com> <vt7emh$24j2a$2@dont-email.me> <l8jevj556d0nh2gi9faaritpmj6aebt3lr@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 17:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="93caae894a7a1be996934d571bfe3243"; logging-data="3442325"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19zApMHY7IzU9j5UzaedCw1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:+G3xbNFzvGFNMgNx5l36JLRl26o= In-Reply-To: <l8jevj556d0nh2gi9faaritpmj6aebt3lr@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3910 On 4/9/2025 11:54 PM, John B. wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 23:42:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski > <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> On 4/9/2025 9:56 PM, John B. wrote: >>> >>> >>> Lets not start a war here... >> >> I thought starting wars was the main purpose of Usenet! ;-) >> >>> but my point was, and is, that for 500 years >>> Mary's condition was ignored and then suddenly she was declared a >>> virgin. And even more recently, in my youth probably the most common >>> "sin" to be confessed at Saturday Confession was eating meat on >>> Friday. 10 "Our Father's" and 20,"Hail Mary's" or no Communion on >>> Sunday and your mother asking why. Now, I read, it's not a sin except >>> during Lent. >> You might be able to take that as a sign of hope. Apparently dogma can >> change. >> >> Some people praise science over religion because science adjusts to new >> ideas. For example, "Atoms are made of protons, neutrons and electrons, >> period!" Except "Oops, particlec says there's a lot more to it..." >> >> Or "Force equals mass times acceleration ..." Except "Darn, relativity >> says there's a lot more to it..." >> >> Theology and religion have changed as well. Heck, it used to be that it >> was immoral for Christians to charge interest on loans! You don't hear >> much about that these days. >> >> I anticipate other changes in the future - not that I'll necessarily be >> around to see them. > > > Errr... science is one thing but the supposed "Word of God" is a > different thing all together. > (In Catholic Dogma the Pope can basically invoke "God's Word" and then > say something that is considered infallible and considered God's > word.) This is completely incorrect about the Infallibility of Pope. He is only infallible when speaking about Faith and Morals. Even then it is rare because he has to be speaking from the Chair and declare it as such. It has nothing to do with science or the Popes own sins. The Pope can be completely wrong about science and be in massive sinful state but that has zero to do with Infallibility clause. The doctrine has only be used once as such since is was declared back in 1879. That was used in 1950 which said the Blessed Mother Mary was assumed into Heave body and soul at her death. Not just the soul but body and soul. -- Deacon Mark