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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Future of online fora
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 13:06:51 -0400
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On 4/10/2025 8:13 AM, John B. wrote:
>   -0400, zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/9/2025 9:10 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 11:56:07 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/9/2025 7:50 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 06:23:45 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/8/2025 9:22 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 10:22:13 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/8/2025 10:05 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 08:59:52 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/8/2025 8:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 05:54:43 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/8/2025 5:48 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 05:19:27 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/7/2025 8:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/7/2025 5:52 PM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People who don't like 'things as they are' include communist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idealists, Libertarians and jihadis.  Over to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But where are the people who are happy with "convention?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked up how they rated "happiness"and it seems to be based on, GDP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> per capita, social support, healthy life expectancy, freedom,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generosity, and corruption.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From, reading their site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://worldhappiness.report/faq/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seems to be more of a level of satisfaction of citizens who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never lived in foreign countries and thus are not capable of comparing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life here wit life over there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where you got that, I don't see any reference to 'people
>>>>>>>>>>>> who have never lived in other countries'. If it's there and I missed it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please post the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Be that as it may, it isn't really relevant. If you're happy, your
>>>>>>>>>>>> happy. whether you've lived somewhere else really doesn't factor into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Poor wording.
>>>>>>>>>>> Second try: the level of satisfaction of citizens who have no other
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences which they can use to evaluate their present life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And where did you get the information that they had no other life
>>>>>>>>>> experiences?>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's pretty obvious. Just look at the average U.S, tourist. They
>>>>>>>>> arrive knowing nothing about the country and leave knowing no  more
>>>>>>>>> then when they arrived.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not obvious at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not obvious? Even a simple thing like not wearing your shoes in a
>>>>>>> Temple is beyond them. My wife and I visited the Wat Pho temple and
>>>>>>> there must have been 50 pairs of shoes at the entrance and an American
>>>>>>> girl was asking her mother, "Do I have to take my shoes off?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I do understand that taking ones shoes off to enter a religious
>>>>>>> place is perhaps unique to some places in Asia but the 50 pairs of
>>>>>>> shoes at the entrance might have been a clue that something is
>>>>>>> different here. Or not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not people are happy
>>>>>> in their home land.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As above.  " Second try: the level of satisfaction of citizens who
>>>>> have no other experiences which they can use to evaluate their present
>>>>> life."
>>>>
>>>> Your example directly contradicts that.
>>>>
>>>> You're using an example od tourists in your country not being savvy
>>>> enough to understand local customs, then stating the respondents to the
>>>> survey "have no other experiences which they can use to evaluate their
>>>> present life"
>>>>
>>>> The two literally contradict each other.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell me, if you were to approach a building in a strange country  that
>>> had 50 or 60 pairs of shoes in front of the only entrance you can see
>>> would you ask someone, "do I have to take my shoes off ?"
>>>
>>> Or, assuming you are a brilliant thinker, to ask "why"?
>>
>> Which has literally nothing to do with whether your happy in your own
>> country.
> 
> 
> You missed the part that said, "it seems to be more of a level of
> satisfaction of citizens who have never lived in foreign countries and
> thus are not capable of comparing life here with life over there."?

I didn't miss it, that was my contention. There is nothing in the report 
to indicate the life experiences of the respondents one way or the 
other. It's an assumption you made with absolutely no evidence.

Besides that, you went on to modify it by stating "the level of 
satisfaction of citizens who have no other experiences which they can 
use to evaluate their present life.", then followed it up with an 
anecdote about clueless tourists in your country, which complete 
contradicts "citizens who have no other experiences".

You're making absolutely no sense, John.

> For example, Thailand has free medical care, if you had been exposed
> to totally free medical care would you be satisfied with the current
> U..S. system?
Maybe, it depends on the quality of the service.



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