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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Tariffs and bikes Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 10:17:56 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 114 Message-ID: <vte073$pign$1@dont-email.me> References: <cmtvujp4du2ueafd153951ipsg86rkf38e@4ax.com> <vsp0k4$3qc5f$2@dont-email.me> <sb30vjd5lq5pq7e298ninvooid01bqsl07@4ax.com> <vsp375$3th0l$1@dont-email.me> <br40vj5rh6kqm1jd9cgsd65msj77q9h6l3@4ax.com> <5m21vj57bq9h5smrafjg4dergur4dcm8ju@4ax.com> <ato1vjdfa9ruh5u5gc2qlqjij3u6di3m5d@4ax.com> <PMaKP.208268$541.98166@fx47.iad> <fgsivjhtra0027spk1t917rer98fg09ar3@4ax.com> <vtc6n5$2qaqs$1@dont-email.me> <vtdpbh$guh8$1@dont-email.me> <vtdrq4$l822$2@dont-email.me> <e70lvjl49latgiaq9bogp51r8tkk2id5co@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d6180c1606b0a8801ca5bc46b75f0fd5"; logging-data="838167"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19QUjs+52zDh+V4nkjDERcx" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:V1V9ik/4oZKUebYy0UC5b7F/NgA= In-Reply-To: <e70lvjl49latgiaq9bogp51r8tkk2id5co@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6060 On 4/12/2025 10:09 AM, John B. wrote: > On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 09:02:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > >> On 4/12/2025 8:20 AM, zen cycle wrote: >>> On 4/11/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> On 4/11/2025 2:49 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:43:43 GMT, cyclintom >>>>> <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Vegetable farmers in California have been driven into >>>>>> bankruptcy by the Democrat administration quite a few >>>>>> who had been growing vegetablkes for generations >>>>>> committed suicide when Gavin Loathsome cut off their water. >>>>> >>>>> LOL >>>>> >>>>> Can I quote you on that? PS I'll need sources so I >>>>> don't look >>>>> like a fool. >>>>> Sources pls. >>>>> []'s >>>> >>>> As with many comments from Mr Kunich there is actually a >>>> truth in there. Someplace. >>>> >>>> Over 50 years ago, long before the present Governor, >>>> nuisance lawsuits stopped construction of TVA Tellico Dam, >>>> which was the beginning of the end for sane water management. >>>> >>>> https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-history/built-for-the- >>>> people/telling- the-story-of-tellico-it-s-complicated >>>> >>>> and although that project was in fact completed >>>> eventually, the larger issues (humans vs baitfish) festered: >>>> >>>> https://www.ocregister.com/2014/03/22/tom-campbell-how-to- >>>> get-water- flowing-again-in-california/ >>>> >>>> with one smaller-than-bait-fish after another invoking >>>> precedent (snail darter, delta smelt, whatever), water >>>> management became focused away from human nourishment. >>>> >>>> Starting 20? 25? odd years ago, the powers that be (EPA, >>>> CalEPA, etc) decided that fresh water running into San >>>> Francisco Bay was absolutely critical to the survival of >>>> the delta smelt and blocking water projects or removing >>>> dams was not sufficient for the small fish. Having made >>>> that a priority, water rights tied to deeds in the Central >>>> Valley, which was highly productive land for dense >>>> vegetable farming, were abrogated. Farms which had used >>>> sluice gates to irrigate for nearly a hundred years were >>>> cut off. That's been a rolling crisis for years and is >>>> recently exacerbated by new limits on pumping groundwater. >>>> Farmers cannot pump water on their own land! >>>> >>>> Ag production has been devastated, unemployment and land >>>> values have gone in different directions and, despite >>>> ample rainfall in 2023 and again in 2024: >>>> >>>> https://engaging-data.com/california-precipitation-levels/ >>>> >>>> the water goes right past Mr Kunich's house into the Bay. >>> >>> Well, that's one distorted opinion. Here's another: >>> >>> https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2023/02/01/california- >>> water-crisis/ >>> >>> "Almond empires, alfalfa exporters, mega-dairies, and oil >>> and gas operators use millions of gallons of California’s >>> limited water during times of intense dryness to amass >>> tremendous profits, while local wells run dry. And as these >>> private interests guzzle down the water supply, more than 1 >>> million people in California do not have access to safe >>> drinking water." >>> >> >> >> Both can be true and both sorta are true. >> >> Wasting huge volumes of water straight into San Francisco >> Bay is not a helpful policy, not for farmers nor anyone >> else. Contract abrogation in denying deeded water rights to >> ag landowners left groundwater pumping, which is we agree >> another problem now. >> >> There haven't been any major California water >> control/storage/redirection projects in 50 years, despite >> oodles of 'project studies' and compelling need. This is a >> turnaround from the 100 prior years, when large scale water >> management was crucial to development and not only to ag >> production directly. >> >> As a side note, this is not only a California problem >> although the nature of that area, with periodic droughts, >> make it 'newsy'. Our total national hydroelectric power >> generation is lower than 60, 70 years ago. How does that >> make any sense? > > > Wasn't a dam broken down somewhere? Something about letting the fishes > swim, or some such thing. > Ongoing disaster. We're ripping them out, not building more and better dams. See first chart here: https://energycentral.com/c/ec/hydroelectric-generators-are-among-united-states-oldest-power-plants -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971