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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 14:59:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <vth52t$3in23$9@dont-email.me> References: <vsnchj$23nrb$2@dont-email.me> <vso4a5$302lq$1@dont-email.me> <vsqhuu$1hl94$2@dont-email.me> <vsqknb$1ldpa$1@dont-email.me> <vsrmn8$2o2f2$1@dont-email.me> <vstku7$p4u7$1@dont-email.me> <vsu95l$1c5kt$1@dont-email.me> <vt01l0$39kn7$1@dont-email.me> <vt28vk$1fe7a$1@dont-email.me> <vt2k6t$1onvt$1@dont-email.me> <vt3ef4$2flgf$1@dont-email.me> <vt3fgd$2gu7u$1@dont-email.me> <vt6apu$12sjs$2@dont-email.me> <vt6g1f$180qf$1@dont-email.me> <vt6lmk$1djk6$1@dont-email.me> <vt7tj4$2iso2$1@dont-email.me> <vt9j0j$1snb$2@dont-email.me> <vtai1c$11kqr$1@dont-email.me> <vtajkf$10asg$2@dont-email.me> <vtbe3g$1vs00$1@dont-email.me> <852f89c9196e0261b8156050fea4572fe886933f@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 21:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c6de87fcdac1591df8ecb20ec2568017"; logging-data="3759171"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19zy8/SUVu1IHY9WkEd8Bk2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zusRHTJT/YrLk0NLLXVOSv4Nsk8= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250413-8, 4/13/2025), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <852f89c9196e0261b8156050fea4572fe886933f@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3282 On 4/13/2025 3:54 AM, joes wrote: > Am Fri, 11 Apr 2025 10:56:32 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 4/11/2025 3:24 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>> On 11/04/2025 08:57, Mikko wrote: > >>>> No proof of this principle has been shown so its use is not valid. >>> >>> No proof of Peano's axioms or Euclid's fifth postulate has been shown. >>> That doesn't mean we can't use them. >>> Mr Olcott can have his principle if he likes, but only by EITHER >>> proving it (which, as you say, he has not yet done) OR by taking it as >>> axiomatic, leaving the world of mainstream computer science behind him, >>> constructing his own computational 'geometry' so to speak, and >>> abandoning any claim to having overturned the Halting Problem. Navel >>> contemplation beckons. >>> Axioms are all very well, and he's free to invent as many as he wishes, >>> but nobody else is obliged to accept them. >>> >> *Simulating termination analyzer Principle* >> It is always correct for any simulating termination analyzer to stop >> simulating and reject any input that would otherwise prevent its own >> termination. > Sure. Why doesn’t the STA simulate itself rejecting its input? > Because that is a STUPID idea and categorically impossible because the outermost HHH sees its needs to stop simulating before any inner HHH can possibly see this. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer