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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 16:02:00 -0500
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On 4/13/2025 2:54 PM, dbush wrote:
> On 4/13/2025 3:52 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 4/13/2025 4:18 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Wed, 09 Apr 2025 15:35:30 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 4/9/2025 1:58 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 09.apr.2025 om 19:29 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 4/8/2025 10:31 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 08.apr.2025 om 17:13 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 4/8/2025 2:45 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 08.apr.2025 om 06:33 schreef olcott:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Simulating termination analyzer Principle*
>>>>>>>>>> It is always correct for any simulating termination analyzer to
>>>>>>>>>> stop simulating and reject any input that would otherwise prevent
>>>>>>>>>> its own termination.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case there is nothing to prevent, because the finite 
>>>>>>>>> string
>>>>>>>>> specifies a program that halts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> int DD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>     int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>>>>>>>>     if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>       HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>     return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>> HHH(DD) meets the above: *Simulating termination analyzer 
>>>>>>>> Principle*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone with a little bit of C knowledge understands that if HHH
>>>>>>> returns with a value 0, then DDD halts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DDD CORRECTLY SIMULATED BY HHH NOT ANY OTHER DAMN DDD IN THE UNIVERSE
>>>>>> NITWIT.
>>>>>>
>>>>> If HHH would correctly simulate DD (and the functions called by DD)
>>>>> then the simulated HHH would return to DD and DD would halt.
>>>>> But HHH failed to complete the simulation of the halting program,
>>>>
>>>> HHH is only required to report on the behavior of its own correct
>>>> simulation (meaning the according to the semantics of the C programming
>>>> language) and would be incorrect to report on any other behavior.
>>
>>> Such as what actually happens when you run it?
>>>
>>
>> Why do you insist on dishonestly ignoring the pathological
>> self-reference difference?
>>
> 
> Why do you insist on dishonestly ignoring that the input to HHH halts 
> when executed directly?

Because this stupidly ignores the difference
of pathological self-reference.

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