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From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Tariffs and bikes
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On 4/13/2025 9:58 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/13/2025 5:55 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>> On 4/12/2025 10:02 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2025 8:20 AM, zen cycle wrote:
>>>> On 4/11/2025 6:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 4/11/2025 2:49 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:43:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vegetable farmers in California have been driven into bankruptcy 
>>>>>>> by the Democrat administration quite a few who had been growing 
>>>>>>> vegetablkes for generations committed suicide when Gavin 
>>>>>>> Loathsome cut off their water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Can I quote you on that? PS I'll need sources so I don't look
>>>>>> like a fool.
>>>>>>     Sources pls.
>>>>>>     []'s
>>>>>
>>>>> As with many comments from Mr Kunich there is actually a truth in 
>>>>> there. Someplace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over 50 years ago, long before the present Governor, nuisance 
>>>>> lawsuits stopped construction of TVA Tellico Dam, which was the 
>>>>> beginning of the end for sane water management.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tva.com/about-tva/our-history/built-for-the- people/ 
>>>>> telling- the-story-of-tellico-it-s-complicated
>>>>>
>>>>> and although that project was in fact completed eventually, the 
>>>>> larger issues (humans vs baitfish) festered:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ocregister.com/2014/03/22/tom-campbell-how- to- get- 
>>>>> water- flowing-again-in-california/
>>>>>
>>>>> with one smaller-than-bait-fish after another invoking precedent 
>>>>> (snail darter, delta smelt, whatever), water management became 
>>>>> focused away from human nourishment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Starting 20? 25? odd years ago, the powers that be (EPA, CalEPA, 
>>>>> etc) decided that fresh water running into San Francisco Bay was 
>>>>> absolutely critical to the survival of the delta smelt and blocking 
>>>>> water projects or removing dams was not sufficient for the small 
>>>>> fish. Having made that a priority, water rights tied to deeds in 
>>>>> the Central Valley, which was highly productive land for dense 
>>>>> vegetable farming, were abrogated. Farms which had used sluice 
>>>>> gates to irrigate for nearly a hundred years were cut off. That's 
>>>>> been a rolling crisis for years and is recently exacerbated by new 
>>>>> limits on pumping groundwater. Farmers cannot pump water on their 
>>>>> own land!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ag production has been devastated, unemployment and land values 
>>>>> have gone in different directions and, despite ample rainfall in 
>>>>> 2023 and again in 2024:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://engaging-data.com/california-precipitation-levels/
>>>>>
>>>>> the water goes right past Mr Kunich's house into the Bay.
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's one distorted opinion. Here's another:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2023/02/01/california- water-crisis/
>>>>
>>>> "Almond empires, alfalfa exporters, mega-dairies, and oil and gas 
>>>> operators use millions of gallons of California’s limited water 
>>>> during times of intense dryness to amass tremendous profits, while 
>>>> local wells run dry. And as these private interests guzzle down the 
>>>> water supply, more than 1 million people in California do not have 
>>>> access to safe drinking water."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Both can be true and both sorta are true.
>>>
>>> Wasting huge volumes of water straight into San Francisco Bay is not 
>>> a helpful policy, not for farmers nor anyone else. Contract 
>>> abrogation in denying deeded water rights to ag landowners left 
>>> groundwater pumping, which is we agree another problem now.
>>>
>>> There haven't been any major California water control/ storage/ 
>>> redirection projects in 50 years, despite oodles of 'project studies' 
>>> and compelling need.  This is a turnaround from the 100 prior years, 
>>> when large scale water management was crucial to development and not 
>>> only to ag production directly.
>>>
>>> As a side note, this is not only a California problem although the 
>>> nature of that area, with periodic droughts, make it 'newsy'.  Our 
>>> total national hydroelectric power generation is lower than 60, 70 
>>> years ago. How does that make any sense?
>>
>> It makes perfect sense to the fossil fuel companies.
> 
> Probably at the margin.
> 
> But it's unclear at best that the evil fuel producers have much sway in 
> California state policy.
> 

Sure...you just keep tellin yourelf that....

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