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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 18:50:52 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <vtk70r$2d98m$1@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <aeb75b411e9f77c974585181c671a47d03b22078@i2pn2.org> <vs7qdm$8dae$2@dont-email.me> <vs7r9b$8ajp$1@dont-email.me> <vs92l3$1fccq$5@dont-email.me> <vs93ae$1k9u2$1@dont-email.me> <vs9g5p$1v2n9$5@dont-email.me> <vs9gcg$20g2j$3@dont-email.me> <vs9h9o$23cav$2@dont-email.me> <vs9hh3$20g2j$6@dont-email.me> <vs9jie$23cav$4@dont-email.me> <vs9kb1$26cg5$2@dont-email.me> <vs9pni$27rl4$9@dont-email.me> <3ade9e84224ba9b99c7363e0e9b69181804b7daa@i2pn2.org> <vsc2fd$1vihj$2@dont-email.me> <e1da7d564873d36f88e119fbbbdafd8c6b0f675e@i2pn2.org> <vsc9o7$2bk3d$2@dont-email.me> <vsdkq5$3rdgv$1@dont-email.me> <vselj9$th5g$1@dont-email.me> <vsg0tj$2e09c$1@dont-email.me> <vsht0a$90ss$4@dont-email.me> <vsiurv$1estf$1@dont-email.me> <vskqim$378kj$7@dont-email.me> <vsla1h$1kf$1@dont-email.me> <vsn08o$1ltd2$5@dont-email.me> <b748de0dbba6d397f790f7112fbaf891a9550e30@i2pn2.org> <vth4pr$3in23$7@dont-email.me> <ee7f2cd7fb674e3a212e7f98514a82aee3a1141b@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 01:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="48839f56b39ad73fecedc23e6710c24f"; logging-data="2532630"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19iicCPXNAD+gfIcMRIgd6J" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:lEcFt/qvLdSBi3cjo3zXnluJy2o= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <ee7f2cd7fb674e3a212e7f98514a82aee3a1141b@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250414-0, 4/13/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3616 On 4/14/2025 4:32 AM, joes wrote: > Am Sun, 13 Apr 2025 14:54:35 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 4/13/2025 9:46 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Thu, 03 Apr 2025 16:57:43 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 4/3/2025 1:32 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2025-04-03 02:08:22 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is a truism that a correct x86 emulator would emulate itself >>>>>>>>>> emulating DDD whenever DDD calls this emulator with itself. >>>>> >>>>> Which does not agree or disagree with my comment nor say anything >>>>> about it, >>>>> and it doesn't clarify any aspect of your statement that i commented. >>>>> If there is any indirect connection to anything relevant that >>>>> connection is not presented, leaving your response unconnected and >>>>> therefore irrelevant. >>>>> So you did not reply to the immediated context. >>>>> >>>> THE FACT THAT DDD EMULATED BY HHH DOES NOT HALT IS NOT RELEVANT TO A >>>> CORRECT DECISION BY A HALT DECIDER? >>> Yes. > To clarify: that *HHH* does not simulate DDD halting has no bearing on > its direct execution. > THE DIRECT EXECUTION IS NOT WHAT IT SEES THUS FORBIDDING IT FROM REPORTING ON THE DIRECT EXECUTION. >> THE ONLY RELEVANT THING IS THE PATHOLOGICAL SELF-REFERENCE BEHAVIOR THAT >> THE INPUT FINITE STRING SPECIFIES. > DDD does not „specify” self-reference; simulating with HHH does. > -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer