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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 22:35:21 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <vtkk5p$2si58$1@dont-email.me> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vs92l3$1fccq$5@dont-email.me> <vs93ae$1k9u2$1@dont-email.me> <vs9g5p$1v2n9$5@dont-email.me> <vs9gcg$20g2j$3@dont-email.me> <vs9h9o$23cav$2@dont-email.me> <vs9hh3$20g2j$6@dont-email.me> <vs9jie$23cav$4@dont-email.me> <vs9kb1$26cg5$2@dont-email.me> <vs9pni$27rl4$9@dont-email.me> <3ade9e84224ba9b99c7363e0e9b69181804b7daa@i2pn2.org> <vsc2fd$1vihj$2@dont-email.me> <e1da7d564873d36f88e119fbbbdafd8c6b0f675e@i2pn2.org> <vsc9o7$2bk3d$2@dont-email.me> <vsdkq5$3rdgv$1@dont-email.me> <vselj9$th5g$1@dont-email.me> <vsg0tj$2e09c$1@dont-email.me> <vsht0a$90ss$4@dont-email.me> <vsiurv$1estf$1@dont-email.me> <vskqim$378kj$7@dont-email.me> <vsla1h$1kf$1@dont-email.me> <vsn08o$1ltd2$5@dont-email.me> <b748de0dbba6d397f790f7112fbaf891a9550e30@i2pn2.org> <vth4pr$3in23$7@dont-email.me> <ee7f2cd7fb674e3a212e7f98514a82aee3a1141b@i2pn2.org> <vtk70r$2d98m$1@dont-email.me> <vtk785$2csgt$1@dont-email.me> <vtkb72$2h48g$1@dont-email.me> <vtkcv0$2h8cs$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 05:35:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8b77476f19ca356aa7dba57a400512e1"; logging-data="3033256"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/xqgqYzCNwyw2cdcNZWmin" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:P3nvNFpxJejvK4P4nDdpRrB0U14= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vtkcv0$2h8cs$1@dont-email.me> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250414-0, 4/13/2025), Outbound message On 4/14/2025 8:32 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 15/04/2025 02:02, olcott wrote: >> On 4/14/2025 6:54 PM, dbush wrote: >>> On 4/14/2025 7:50 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 4/14/2025 4:32 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Sun, 13 Apr 2025 14:54:35 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 4/13/2025 9:46 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>> Am Thu, 03 Apr 2025 16:57:43 -0500 schrieb olcott: > > <snip> > >>>>>>>> THE FACT THAT DDD EMULATED BY HHH DOES NOT HALT IS NOT RELEVANT >>>>>>>> TO A >>>>>>>> CORRECT DECISION BY A HALT DECIDER? >>>>>>> Yes. >>>>> To clarify: that *HHH* does not simulate DDD halting has no bearing on >>>>> its direct execution. >>>>> >>>> >>>> THE DIRECT EXECUTION IS NOT WHAT IT SEES >>> >>> Irrelevant. >> >> >> THAT IS A STUPID THING TO SAY > > Far from it. In fact it's very very true, and the all-caps foot-stamping > doesn't help your case one jot. > >> THAT COMPLETELY IGNORES WHAT >> COMPUTABLE FUNCTIONS ARE AND HOW THEY WORK. > > It doesn't matter how they work. You can't stupidly ignored that all deciders must be computable functions. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer